Ryan,<br><br>You can count on me for testing both build and useability as soon as you have something ready.<br><br>Keep me on your short-list.<br><br>Cheers,<br>James<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Ryan McDougall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sempuki1@gmail.com">sempuki1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Jeroen van Veen <<a href="mailto:j.veenvan@gmail.com">j.veenvan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Ryan,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for answering. I got two more questions though :-)<br>
> 1. With the amount of work already done by realxtend, how much time is<br>
> estimated for a new viewer build from scratch?<br>
<br>
</div>Its hard to estimate, since you can pick any timeframe and be pretty<br>
sure you'll wont have achieved what you started out with.<br>
<br>
We are planning to have something usable by the end of 2009. More if<br>
there is community help. We intend to get as far as possible by<br>
reusing existing libraries as much as possible.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> 2. Are there any plans to build on the bsd-licensed verse udp protocol?<br>
> (<a href="http://www.uni-verse.org/" target="_blank">http://www.uni-verse.org/</a>)<br>
<br>
</div>I am afraid that I am unfamiliar with it. What I can say that when<br>
making a new viewer with our resources, there is no opportunity to<br>
explore with protocols. We will focus on reX as a module on OpenSim<br>
for the server side.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
><br>
> 2008/12/11 Ryan McDougall <<a href="mailto:sempuki1@gmail.com">sempuki1@gmail.com</a>><br>
>><br>
>> Let me try to clear up what I am able to.<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Jeroen van Veen <<a href="mailto:j.veenvan@gmail.com">j.veenvan@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > I've been watching the news about RealXtend integration a bit. Not sure<br>
>> > if i<br>
>> > understand things right though:<br>
>> > realxtend viewer = superior to any other viewer out there, based on the<br>
>> > most<br>
>> > mature 3d-engine(Ogre), but build on LindenLabs code(gpl), bsd license<br>
>> > preferred<br>
>><br>
>> The legacy reX viewer is based on a fork of LL code, and uses Ogre for<br>
>> rendering. "Superior" is in the eyes of the beholder.<br>
>><br>
>> > other viewers =bsd-licensed, but not even close to the current state of<br>
>> > lindenlabs viewer. C# is a pain in the a## when it comes to integration<br>
>> > with<br>
>> > existing components like 3d-engines, so c++ viewer preferred?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Problem: libomv is c#, not c++. Solution? If any?<br>
>> > Realxtend rumour: viewer will be bsd-licensed at some point. c++ port<br>
>> > for<br>
>> > libomv? or? Licensing issues with lindens?<br>
>><br>
>> The legacy viewer will never be BSD, as most of the copyright is to<br>
>> LL. We will start from scratch reusing *none* of LL code, and will<br>
>> have an explicit policy of *never* using the LL source code as even a<br>
>> reference, as the law frowns on this without extra staff for<br>
>> clean-room reverse engineering, which we cannot afford.<br>
>><br>
>> That is not as much of a problem as might be assumed since reX and<br>
>> OpenSim server compatibility is our primary focus, and we are able to<br>
>> use those as a reference with no concern.<br>
>><br>
>> > Realxtend module for opensim: Great, no more fork, no more double work,<br>
>> > faster development, cooperation, world peace<br>
>><br>
>> That is the intent, but we'll need help from everyone in OpenSim<br>
>> community to achieve it. Kumbaya.<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Phrearch<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
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