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<div>Yes, OpenSim runs on Mono. But recently I found out that Mono is heavily sponsored by Novell these days, and, for mysterious reasons ;-) there's no support for RedHat 5 or CentOS 5, i.e. the newer enterprise RedHat flavors. There is something you can download from opensuse, but it's not really supported. I can't get it to run, the mono part seems to work but NAnt doesn't so there's no point really.</div>
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<div>Furthermore, I have a 64 bits CentOS 5 server, which means I am more or less stuck on two fronts: no robust mono support as mentioned above and no OpenSim 64 bits support that I'm aware of. </div>
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<div>Mono for 64 bits RedHat flavors will eventually happen I guess..someone will get it done. Perhaps OpenSim developers could contemplate whether it's necessary to do a 64 bits version too - even if it's only once a month or milestone releases.</div>
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<div>Thanks and cheers,</div>
<div>Gerco<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Tedd Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tedd@nimbustech.no">tedd@nimbustech.no</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Hi</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Just a short/long correction. :)</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">OpenSim runs on .Net platform.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Microsoft has very clearly and widely defined CLS (Common Language Specification). CLS set in stone and not a moving target at all (ISO or something, don't remember).</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">CLS is what you will find in .Net Framework, mobile phones, Xbox 360, Zune, inside small hardware chips, Silverlight, Moonlight and Mono. There are also many compilers capable of transforming CLS compatible IL into stand alone .exe or even stand alone operating systems.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Around CLS you have CLR (Common Language Runtime). This is Microsoft extensions which puts more meat on the bone. From Version 1.0 to 3.5 I have found one change. The String.Split() function takes one more mandatory argument from 1.1 to 2.0. So also not a moving target. We are using CLR to some degree, but well within what Mono can handle.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">C# is the language used for OpenSim. C# is compiled by any capable compiler down to CLS IL. Which in turn when executed is Just-In-Time compiled into whatever CPU/platform specific code is required.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Mono does an excellent job here. There is a memory leak here and a crash there, but you can hardly deny a piece of software like Mono right of life because it is under development.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">So that said, OpenSim should run on Windows, Linux, BSD, MacOSX and SunOS. Without having tested it I don't see why it won't run on Xbox 360, Zune and mobile phones too. If it doesn't then it's just a matter of time before it does.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">OpenSim has always been, is, and will be compatible with "both worlds".</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">When it comes to viewers then it's up to the community to do something about it. I don't see why we should not use a viewer only because it is Windows. Especially not one which without too much effort can be compiled to Linux. </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">A part of the world (90%) is using Windows - so independent development companies WILL target the masses first.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">You are still free to use the standard viewer.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">BR,</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> Tedd</span></p>
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<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Stallings II<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 3. desember 2008 21:57
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I too am a linux user. I'm also something of a linux dev. That necesarily means I'm probably not a c# dev, as I have made concious decisions to part company with windows many years ago. Additionally, as a result of that decision, my focus has been in any place but windows developement environments and programming languages.<br>
<br>True, I -have- become more familiar with c# since I began an association with this project - but what that association has taught me is that it isnt worth the trouble for me to develop for this project. Why? Because my only options are to switch platforms, or dev with mono. And mono, fwiw is not a truly compatible solution - issues with stability, memory, and an inability to closely track the moving target that is the microsoft .net runtime pretty well insure it will continue to be ineffective, at best, as a solution to the problem of addressing multiple platforms.<br>
<br>I absolutely beg the opensim core - stop drifting towards windows centricity. You made a commitment some time ago to be cross platform - follow through on the promise.<br><br>Everytime someone justifies a windows only application or framework in this project, it justifies the next such move. Eventually it will become very easy to justify opensim as a windows-only application. IMHO, that would be both travesty and tragedy.<br>
<br>Cheers<br>James<br><br><br></p>
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<p>On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Charles Krinke <<a href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" target="_blank">cfk@pacbell.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p><span>I would like to suggest that a "zealot" on IRC take this one and start a group testing and reporting on #opensim.<br><br>The Rex client should connect to an OpenSim region or a grid like OSGrid. It may have some problems, but this is the time to start getting configurations worked out and getting this client working on OpenSim more formally.<br>
<br>The Windows client is fine for now. Lets get it up and running and talk about it. The Rex folks have put a lot of effort in getting to this stage and we can help all of us by using and testing the Rex client and discussing it on our #opensim IRC channel on FreeNode.<br>
<br>"Zealot" needed now! Pay is non-existent, hours are long, glory is significant.<br><br>Charles</span></p></div>
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<p><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:05:48 AM</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br>Hi<br><br>I must say I'm impressed. The graphics looks really nice, far far beyond<br>anything SL can offer both in looks and animation.<br>And the little game play demo must be among the best/most useful thing<br>
I've ever seen in the Second Life universe.<br><br>For those here who haven't done it - I highly recommend you download<br>viewer and local server, unzip it and have a quick go at the game (click<br>statued fish to teleport outside).<br>
I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised when you run it.<br><br>Looking forward to having the REX viewer/features work with vanilla<br>OpenSim+REX modules. :)<br>Great work!<br><br>BR,<br>Tedd<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] On Behalf Of Paul<br>Fishwick<br>Sent: 1. desember 2008 20:55</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject: [Opensim-users] toward a new client<br><br>If you haven't tried it yet, go to:<br><br><a href="http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads" target="_blank">http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads</a><br>
<br>and try out the new client and server. Apparently, later on this month<br>or<br>next, this viewer will connect to the opensim trunk (rather than the<br>forked<br>project that it is now).<br><br>The sea world is great! Lots of new features.<br>
<br>-p<br><br>-- <br>Dr. Paul A. Fishwick E-Mail: <a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu" target="_blank">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>Dept. of Computer & Info Phone & FAX: (352) 392-1414<br>Science and Engineering WWW: <a href="http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick" target="_blank">http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick</a><br>
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