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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If it is to any comfort OpenSim doesn't run in 64-bit mode under
Windows either.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>.Net runs fine on both 32 and 64-bit, but we have some binary
dependencies such as SQLite which prevents us from running it on 64-bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Luckily 32-bit OpenSim runs fine on any 64-bit operating system.
:)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I was a LINUX MAN (in capital letters) once in a previous
lifetime. I moved to Windows for one single reason, installations. I found
Linux to be a platform for those who liked to do stuff, and Windows a platform
for those who liked to get it done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It was not unusual with 6-8 hours installations following 6-8
levels of dependency chains requiring manual compilation. And almost every single
compilation had its set of switches, problems and INSTALL documents you had to
read. Tools like rpfind.ned and rpm -qa | grep were my friends. Eventually I
fell for the Next, Next, Done approach Windows installations had. (though I still
keep a SSH window open for text file processing and network tools)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But the problems in themselves were also the strength - if
something ran on one distro/os it would most likely run all distros/os. That
was what all the flags and "(./configure --binary-goes-here=/bin --lib-is-here=/lib;
make clean; make; make install) > coffebreak 2> readme.later&"
were for.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>By no support you mean no precompiled installation packages?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then someone should write a blog entry on how to compile Mono
for RedHat and CentOS. I think the magic is still there, even though it can
take a bit longer to perform.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>BR,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Tedd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sered
Woollahra<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 4. desember 2008 08:29<br>
<b>To:</b> opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] toward a new client<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Tedd,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes, OpenSim runs on Mono. But recently I found out that
Mono is heavily sponsored by Novell these days, and, for mysterious reasons ;-)
there's no support for RedHat 5 or CentOS 5, i.e. the newer enterprise RedHat
flavors. There is something you can download from opensuse, but it's not really
supported. I can't get it to run, the mono part seems to work but NAnt doesn't
so there's no point really.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Furthermore, I have a 64 bits CentOS 5 server, which means I
am more or less stuck on two fronts: no robust mono support as mentioned above
and no OpenSim 64 bits support that I'm aware of. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Mono for 64 bits RedHat flavors will eventually happen I
guess..someone will get it done. Perhaps OpenSim developers could contemplate
whether it's necessary to do a 64 bits version too - even if it's only once a
month or milestone releases.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks and cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Gerco<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Tedd Hansen <<a
href="mailto:tedd@nimbustech.no">tedd@nimbustech.no</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Just a short/long
correction. :)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>OpenSim runs on .Net
platform.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Microsoft has very
clearly and widely defined CLS (Common Language Specification). CLS set in
stone and not a moving target at all (ISO or something, don't remember).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>CLS is what you will
find in .Net Framework, mobile phones, Xbox 360, Zune, inside small hardware
chips, Silverlight, Moonlight and Mono. There are also many compilers capable
of transforming CLS compatible IL into stand alone .exe or even stand alone operating
systems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Around CLS you have
CLR (Common Language Runtime). This is Microsoft extensions which puts more
meat on the bone. From Version 1.0 to 3.5 I have found one change. The
String.Split() function takes one more mandatory argument from 1.1 to 2.0. So
also not a moving target. We are using CLR to some degree, but well within what
Mono can handle.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>C# is the language
used for OpenSim. C# is compiled by any capable compiler down to CLS IL. Which
in turn when executed is Just-In-Time compiled into whatever CPU/platform
specific code is required.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Mono does an
excellent job here. There is a memory leak here and a crash there, but you can
hardly deny a piece of software like Mono right of life because it is under
development.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So that said,
OpenSim should run on Windows, Linux, BSD, MacOSX and SunOS. Without having
tested it I don't see why it won't run on Xbox 360, Zune and mobile phones too.
If it doesn't then it's just a matter of time before it does.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>OpenSim has always
been, is, and will be compatible with "both worlds".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>When it comes to
viewers then it's up to the community to do something about it. I don't see why
we should not use a viewer only because it is Windows. Especially not one which
without too much effort can be compiled to Linux. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A part of the world
(90%) is using Windows - so independent development companies WILL target the
masses first.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>You are still free
to use the standard viewer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>BR,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> Tedd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Stallings II<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 3. desember 2008 21:57 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> Re: [Opensim-users] toward a new client<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I too am a linux user. I'm also something of a
linux dev. That necesarily means I'm probably not a c# dev, as I have made
concious decisions to part company with windows many years ago. Additionally,
as a result of that decision, my focus has been in any place but windows
developement environments and programming languages.<br>
<br>
True, I -have- become more familiar with c# since I began an association with
this project - but what that association has taught me is that it isnt worth
the trouble for me to develop for this project. Why? Because my only options
are to switch platforms, or dev with mono. And mono, fwiw is not a truly
compatible solution - issues with stability, memory, and an inability to
closely track the moving target that is the microsoft .net runtime pretty well
insure it will continue to be ineffective, at best, as a solution to the
problem of addressing multiple platforms.<br>
<br>
I absolutely beg the opensim core - stop drifting towards windows centricity.
You made a commitment some time ago to be cross platform - follow through on
the promise.<br>
<br>
Everytime someone justifies a windows only application or framework in this
project, it justifies the next such move. Eventually it will become very easy
to justify opensim as a windows-only application. IMHO, that would be both
travesty and tragedy.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
James<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Charles Krinke <<a
href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" target="_blank">cfk@pacbell.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I would like to suggest that a "zealot" on IRC take this one and
start a group testing and reporting on #opensim.<br>
<br>
The Rex client should connect to an OpenSim region or a grid like OSGrid. It
may have some problems, but this is the time to start getting configurations
worked out and getting this client working on OpenSim more formally.<br>
<br>
The Windows client is fine for now. Lets get it up and running and talk about
it. The Rex folks have put a lot of effort in getting to this stage and we can
help all of us by using and testing the Rex client and discussing it on our
#opensim IRC channel on FreeNode.<br>
<br>
"Zealot" needed now! Pay is non-existent, hours are long, glory is
significant.<br>
<br>
Charles<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> Tedd Hansen <<a href="mailto:tedd@nimbustech.no" target="_blank">tedd@nimbustech.no</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:05:48 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] toward a new client</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi<br>
<br>
I must say I'm impressed. The graphics looks really nice, far far beyond<br>
anything SL can offer both in looks and animation.<br>
And the little game play demo must be among the best/most useful thing<br>
I've ever seen in the Second Life universe.<br>
<br>
For those here who haven't done it - I highly recommend you download<br>
viewer and local server, unzip it and have a quick go at the game (click<br>
statued fish to teleport outside).<br>
I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised when you run it.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to having the REX viewer/features work with vanilla<br>
OpenSim+REX modules. :)<br>
Great work!<br>
<br>
BR,<br>
Tedd<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: <a
href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>]
On Behalf Of Paul<br>
Fishwick<br>
Sent: 1. desember 2008 20:55</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a
href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: [Opensim-users] toward a new client<br>
<br>
If you haven't tried it yet, go to:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads" target="_blank">http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads</a><br>
<br>
and try out the new client and server. Apparently, later on this month<br>
or<br>
next, this viewer will connect to the opensim trunk (rather than the<br>
forked<br>
project that it is now).<br>
<br>
The sea world is great! Lots of new features.<br>
<br>
-p<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Dr. Paul A. Fishwick E-Mail: <a
href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu" target="_blank">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
Dept. of Computer & Info Phone & FAX: (352)
392-1414<br>
Science and Engineering WWW: <a
href="http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick" target="_blank">http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick</a><br>
University of Florida (PGP Key available at
above WWW address)<br>
P. O. Box 116120<br>
332 Bldg. CSE, Gainesville, FL 32611-6120<br>
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