Hey Justin, Tedd, all:<br><br>I am not complaining so much as trying to keep the core group aware that linux useage on opensim is very much still present and vigorous, and what you point out about yourself and SDague only serves to drive my point home - and it isnt just you and SDague, but also Dr. Sco and Diva if I am not mistaken, and many others of us who are lowly testers.<br>
<br>The point is, it isnt as simple as looking at percentages in the userbase.<br><br>Linux people, as Tedd pointed out, are of a particular calibre. They are one of the key places where the rubber hits the road.<br><br>It does not go unnoticed that very slick things may be done with windows-only tools - and for architectural and phiosophical reasons I wont get into in this thread, those things will likely never be done on linux.<br>
<br>That being said, I dont want to discourage exploration like Xenki and those things that the Rexx team are doing; I just want to make sure that the linux folks (like myself) dont get forgotten the mix. I don't know honestly if it would ever be possible to port e.g., Xenki to the linux platform in any meaningful way; but I am pretty sure Adam will learn something from it that will benefit us all.<br>
<br>I know the situation with the Rexx team, and I understand they dont have any linux folk around. I also know that linux folk are everywhere, and that if they really wanted to get a linux dev on board, it wouldnt be that hard to do.<br>
<br>However, I dont know their situation wrt budgets, funding, etc - it may well be they had spent their code dollars before realizing the necesity of pushing forward with linux as well as windows.<br><br>In any case, I intend today to spend some time with the rex stuff on the viewer side - not to work on the code, mind you, just to see if I can get it to compile.<br>
<br>Thanks for all the hard work guys, in case I didnt say it before.<br><br>Cheers,<br>James<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Justin Clark-Casey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">James Stallings II wrote:<br>
> I too am a linux user. I'm also something of a linux dev. That<br>
> necesarily means I'm probably not a c# dev, as I have made concious<br>
> decisions to part company with windows many years ago. Additionally, as<br>
> a result of that decision, my focus has been in any place but windows<br>
> developement environments and programming languages.<br>
><br>
> True, I -have- become more familiar with c# since I began an association<br>
> with this project - but what that association has taught me is that it<br>
> isnt worth the trouble for me to develop for this project. Why? Because<br>
> my only options are to switch platforms, or dev with mono. And mono,<br>
> fwiw is not a truly compatible solution - issues with stability, memory,<br>
> and an inability to closely track the moving target that is the<br>
> microsoft .net runtime pretty well insure it will continue to be<br>
> ineffective, at best, as a solution to the problem of addressing<br>
> multiple platforms.<br>
><br>
> I absolutely beg the opensim core - stop drifting towards windows<br>
> centricity. You made a commitment some time ago to be cross platform -<br>
> follow through on the promise.<br>
><br>
> Everytime someone justifies a windows only application or framework in<br>
> this project, it justifies the next such move. Eventually it will become<br>
> very easy to justify opensim as a windows-only application. IMHO, that<br>
> would be both travesty and tragedy.<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>I doubt this will ever happen. A number of the core developers (myself included) are very much Linux people (Sean is a<br>
developer in the IBM Linux Technology Centre, for instance :). Everybody is happy to limit the SDK APIs used in OpenSim<br>
to those which are available both on Microsoft's system and under Mono - it hasn't proved a problem so far.<br>
<br>
Mono isn't perfect but I think that it's improving impressively fast - it grows up just as we grow up (well, maybe quite<br>
a bit ahead).<br>
<br>
It's true that some surrounding projects are currently implemented only on Windows. But I don't see this as a long term<br>
problem. Hopefully it will act either as a spur for people to develop the necessary infrastructure on the Linux side,<br>
or will inspire technologies that do encompass Linux (hence gaining the interested developers committed to the platform)<br>
to win through.<br>
<br>
The people who should be complaining are the Mac OS X folks - I think they probably generally have the most problems<br>
running OpenSim ;)<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Cheers<br>
> James<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Charles Krinke <<a href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a><br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I would like to suggest that a "zealot" on IRC take this one and<br>
> start a group testing and reporting on #opensim.<br>
><br>
> The Rex client should connect to an OpenSim region or a grid like<br>
> OSGrid. It may have some problems, but this is the time to start<br>
> getting configurations worked out and getting this client working on<br>
> OpenSim more formally.<br>
><br>
> The Windows client is fine for now. Lets get it up and running and<br>
> talk about it. The Rex folks have put a lot of effort in getting to<br>
> this stage and we can help all of us by using and testing the Rex<br>
> client and discussing it on our #opensim IRC channel on FreeNode.<br>
><br>
> "Zealot" needed now! Pay is non-existent, hours are long, glory is<br>
> significant.<br>
><br>
> Charles<br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
</div>> *From:* Tedd Hansen <<a href="mailto:tedd@nimbustech.no">tedd@nimbustech.no</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tedd@nimbustech.no">tedd@nimbustech.no</a>>><br>
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> *To:* <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
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<div class="Ih2E3d">> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:05:48 AM<br>
><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] toward a new client<br>
><br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> I must say I'm impressed. The graphics looks really nice, far far beyond<br>
> anything SL can offer both in looks and animation.<br>
> And the little game play demo must be among the best/most useful thing<br>
> I've ever seen in the Second Life universe.<br>
><br>
> For those here who haven't done it - I highly recommend you download<br>
> viewer and local server, unzip it and have a quick go at the game (click<br>
> statued fish to teleport outside).<br>
> I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised when you run it.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to having the REX viewer/features work with vanilla<br>
> OpenSim+REX modules. :)<br>
> Great work!<br>
><br>
> BR,<br>
> Tedd<br>
><br>
><br>
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> Subject: [Opensim-users] toward a new client<br>
><br>
> If you haven't tried it yet, go to:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads" target="_blank">http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads</a><br>
><br>
> and try out the new client and server. Apparently, later on this month<br>
> or<br>
> next, this viewer will connect to the opensim trunk (rather than the<br>
> forked<br>
> project that it is now).<br>
><br>
> The sea world is great! Lots of new features.<br>
><br>
> -p<br>
><br>
> --<br>
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