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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just a short/long correction. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>OpenSim runs on .Net platform.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Microsoft has very clearly and widely defined CLS (Common
Language Specification). CLS set in stone and not a moving target at all (ISO
or something, don't remember).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>CLS is what you will find in .Net Framework, mobile phones, Xbox
360, Zune, inside small hardware chips, Silverlight, Moonlight and Mono. There
are also many compilers capable of transforming CLS compatible IL into stand
alone .exe or even stand alone operating systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Around CLS you have CLR (Common Language Runtime). This is Microsoft
extensions which puts more meat on the bone. From Version 1.0 to 3.5 I have
found one change. The String.Split() function takes one more mandatory argument
from 1.1 to 2.0. So also not a moving target. We are using CLR to some degree,
but well within what Mono can handle.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>C# is the language used for OpenSim. C# is compiled by any
capable compiler down to CLS IL. Which in turn when executed is Just-In-Time compiled
into whatever CPU/platform specific code is required.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mono does an excellent job here. There is a memory leak here and
a crash there, but you can hardly deny a piece of software like Mono right of
life because it is under development.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So that said, OpenSim should run on Windows, Linux, BSD, MacOSX
and SunOS. Without having tested it I don't see why it won't run on Xbox 360,
Zune and mobile phones too. If it doesn't then it's just a matter of time
before it does.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>OpenSim has always been, is, and will be compatible with
"both worlds".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When it comes to viewers then it's up to the community to do
something about it. I don't see why we should not use a viewer only because it
is Windows. Especially not one which without too much effort can be compiled to
Linux. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A part of the world (90%) is using Windows - so independent
development companies WILL target the masses first.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You are still free to use the standard viewer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>BR,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Tedd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James
Stallings II<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 3. desember 2008 21:57<br>
<b>To:</b> opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] toward a new client<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I too am a linux user. I'm also
something of a linux dev. That necesarily means I'm probably not a c# dev, as I
have made concious decisions to part company with windows many years ago.
Additionally, as a result of that decision, my focus has been in any place but
windows developement environments and programming languages.<br>
<br>
True, I -have- become more familiar with c# since I began an association with
this project - but what that association has taught me is that it isnt worth
the trouble for me to develop for this project. Why? Because my only options
are to switch platforms, or dev with mono. And mono, fwiw is not a truly
compatible solution - issues with stability, memory, and an inability to
closely track the moving target that is the microsoft .net runtime pretty well
insure it will continue to be ineffective, at best, as a solution to the
problem of addressing multiple platforms.<br>
<br>
I absolutely beg the opensim core - stop drifting towards windows centricity.
You made a commitment some time ago to be cross platform - follow through on
the promise.<br>
<br>
Everytime someone justifies a windows only application or framework in this
project, it justifies the next such move. Eventually it will become very easy
to justify opensim as a windows-only application. IMHO, that would be both
travesty and tragedy.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
James<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Charles Krinke <<a
href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I would like
to suggest that a "zealot" on IRC take this one and start a group
testing and reporting on #opensim.<br>
<br>
The Rex client should connect to an OpenSim region or a grid like OSGrid. It
may have some problems, but this is the time to start getting configurations
worked out and getting this client working on OpenSim more formally.<br>
<br>
The Windows client is fine for now. Lets get it up and running and talk about
it. The Rex folks have put a lot of effort in getting to this stage and we can
help all of us by using and testing the Rex client and discussing it on our
#opensim IRC channel on FreeNode.<br>
<br>
"Zealot" needed now! Pay is non-existent, hours are long, glory is
significant.<br>
<br>
Charles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Tedd Hansen <<a
href="mailto:tedd@nimbustech.no" target="_blank">tedd@nimbustech.no</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, December
3, 2008 2:05:48 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] toward a new client<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi<br>
<br>
I must say I'm impressed. The graphics looks really nice, far far beyond<br>
anything SL can offer both in looks and animation.<br>
And the little game play demo must be among the best/most useful thing<br>
I've ever seen in the Second Life universe.<br>
<br>
For those here who haven't done it - I highly recommend you download<br>
viewer and local server, unzip it and have a quick go at the game (click<br>
statued fish to teleport outside).<br>
I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised when you run it.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to having the REX viewer/features work with vanilla<br>
OpenSim+REX modules. :)<br>
Great work!<br>
<br>
BR,<br>
Tedd<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:
<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>]
On Behalf Of Paul<br>
Fishwick<br>
Sent: 1. desember 2008 20:55<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:
<a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:
[Opensim-users] toward a new client<br>
<br>
If you haven't tried it yet, go to:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads" target="_blank">http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=downloads</a><br>
<br>
and try out the new client and server. Apparently, later on this month<br>
or<br>
next, this viewer will connect to the opensim trunk (rather than the<br>
forked<br>
project that it is now).<br>
<br>
The sea world is great! Lots of new features.<br>
<br>
-p<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Dr. Paul A. Fishwick E-Mail: <a
href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu" target="_blank">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
Dept. of Computer & Info Phone & FAX: (352)
392-1414<br>
Science and Engineering WWW: <a
href="http://www.cise.ufl.edu/%7Efishwick" target="_blank">http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick</a><br>
University of Florida (PGP Key available at
above WWW address)<br>
P. O. Box 116120<br>
332 Bldg. CSE, Gainesville, FL 32611-6120<br>
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