[Opensim-users] How can we bridge the gap between opensim developers and end users?

Sat Mar 9 13:50:21 UTC 2019

Thanks Serendipity for the reply.
Yes when googling opensim I often fall on the biomechanics software which
has some traction and even conferences around it.
Sorry for the confusion.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 2:49 AM Serendipity Seraph <seren.seraph at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I notice that there is another OpenSim that is different from
> OpenSimulator.  I was curious whether the toolchain shown was in or for
> opensimulator.  But reading up it seems that it is a scene creations and
> interaction tool that is very cool.   So as they say in SNL "never mind".
>
> I will be looking into this tool more deeply.   Can the layout rezzing of
> objects on the board and in the region be variably script contolled?

Yes, in fact we tried procedural content generation some time back for load
testing the RezMela system.
We rezzed a large array of 'text objects' ... think of post-it notes with
text in .... trying to find the optimal number of objects that a particular
application built on this opensim LSL application can hold, on a particular
grid, in this case kitely.
At this time, we are more focusing on 'direct manipulation' in the most
user friendly way possible with snap to grid, snap to arbitrary objects
implemented for e.g. and speed up scene creation at various scales relative
to the avatar (small ... e.g. molecules/post it notes/ web notes/ on a
table, medium ... furniture and large ... region wide content generation
(possibly across grids in the future).
We call the board functionality, map functionality now... and this is
primarily of use when deploying and controlling scenes region wide.

Is
> there an API or data driven facility that can be in world or externally
> modified?  Since the board is a highly scripted object it seems doable if
> not already present.
>
> Now that we have seen how things can work in world (seen the benefits and
challenges etc...), the next few milestones in the trajectory should
include what you suggested. I agree it would be awesome to have that kind
of API.

I think that opensim has a lot going for it and a lot is possible. So I am
trying my best to share and learn from the community (which appears too
quiet for comfort), while functioning in a space that I am comfortable in
(because of my skill limitations, I cannot do otherwise). While I may not
be able to offer much on the underlying opensim infrastructure, I can share
at the level of 'application' development, which I think can influence the
development and fine tuning of underlying layers. And I believe my focus on
'economy of motion' and 'enabling users to do more with less tethering and
wearing of devices', and not isolating users in VR ... (e.g. seeings people
wearing VR headsets next to each other in a real world museum, breaks my
heart... and explains why VR will never go mainstream)... those are the
things that drive my application design approach in this new round of
crawling up the 'slope of enlightenment'.

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:49 AM Dr Ramesh Ramloll <r.ramloll at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > @Serendipity please explain a little more, am not sure I understand the
> > question. Thanks.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:38 PM Serendipity Seraph <
> seren.seraph at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is this OpenSim or OpenSimulator?  It is a possible point of confusion.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:59 AM Dr Ramesh Ramloll <r.ramloll at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > For quite some time, I have been thinking about this. How can we make
> > it
> > > > easier for end users to 'profit' from the time they invest in
> visiting
> > a
> > > > virtual world. Users are already getting good returns it appears,
> > > > certainly, things like social/collective music appreciation remains a
> > > > curiosity for the old and new (see the latest media frenzy about
> > Fortnite
> > > > concerts).
> > > >
> > > > It appears to me that we need to grow an application layer on top of
> > the
> > > > opensim layer either to strengthen our current niches, or create new
> > > ones.
> > > > So we are trying and hope others can develop their own layer too (our
> > > > approach is a bit timid reflecting our skillbase, but I always
> believe
> > > > something is always better than nothing. Arguably our approach is
> close
> > > to
> > > > 'visual assembly' as opposed to visual programming ... per se, so we
> > > > assemble Apps from a minimal set of objects manually). I invite the
> > group
> > > > to share thoughts about how to grow the application (mass facing)
> layer
> > > > further.
> > > >
> > > > I am including here a clip which shows our attempt, we have an
> > > application
> > > > layer that supports what we call 'Apps', little mini applications.
> > > >
> > > > Here's an example App. that is built using our 'layer'. Our Apps are
> > > > created by assembling objects, it's a bit like 'visual application
> > > building
> > > > in the old days'... but do check this out when you have some time.
> > > > https://youtu.be/p-XXiKcaCpc
> > > >
> > > > How would YOU broaden the application layer that opensim needs?  Are
> > > there
> > > > other approaches?
> > > > R
> > > > --
> > > > 'Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin.'
> > > > *Rameshsharma Ramloll* PhD, CEO CTO DeepSemaphore LLC, Landisville,
> PA;
> > > > Affiliate *Research Associate Professor*, Idaho State University,
> > > > Pocatello, ID 83209 Tel: 208-240-0040
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*Rameshsharma Ramloll* PhD, CEO CTO DeepSemaphore LLC, Landisville, PA;
Affiliate *Research Associate Professor*, Idaho State University,
Pocatello, ID 83209 Tel: 208-240-0040
LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/rameshramloll>