[Opensim-users] Firestorm Viewer 4.7.7 overloads region capability to process RequestMapBlocks

Tue Aug 9 10:37:54 UTC 2016

I think it is normal for people who don't derive much from opensim to feel
a bit negative about the whole thing. For many of us, who have strived hard
over years, to build projects around opensim, and who have gained something
significant in return, our perspective is a bit broader. Then there is also
a rather common challenge, where there is less listening and more telling.
Sometimes, we also overestimate our skillset or our own individual
capabilities and start blaming everybody else for own lack of progress. It
gets complicated. But as you grow older, and get involved for real in many
collaborative projects, you find value in each and every contribution. And
of course, the drama part while quite entertaining at times, really does
not do anything as far as moving forward is concerned. I wish best of luck
to everyone, and certainly hope you earn back in monetary (if you are that
inclined) or satisfaction ... or fame even ... for everything that you put
into the pile of awesome. I view an organically growing infrastructure a
bit more like a forest ... and much less than a garden ... that on the
surface looks tidy and trim and symmetrical and easy to understand. For
those who are a bit concerned about the drama, don't be. It's normal.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 4:18 AM, Nick Zwart - 3DLES <nick at 3dles.com> wrote:

> oh, that is disturbing.
>
> If Opensim is doomed (Tom) we have a big problem, because we use Opensim a
> lot in educational projects here in Europe. And to be honest, if we do not
> stay optimistic in this crazy world, what else can be done?
>
> I know the dev spends a lot of personal time into this and I think Tom is
> not really helping and demotivates them.
>
> If you really do not like Opensim, do not throw it in our faces, just go
> and do something else with your life. Here in Holland we call people that
> act like this a 'Hork'.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
> 2016-08-09 7:50 GMT+02:00 Tom Frost <tomfrost at linkwater.org>:
>
>> And this, sadly, is the best illustration of why opensim is doomed. If
>> opensim declares 'we do not support firestorm', i'm not going to bother
>> anymore.
>>
>> Goodbye opensim, hello high fidelity?
>>
>> If only opensim had some devs that actually cared about more than their
>> direct economical interests, if only opensim had a strong sense of
>> direction, there might be a future.
>>
>> I tried to join development, but the hostile environment to new devs who
>> are not part of the clique cured me of that.
>>
>> As it stands, the opensim codebase is a steaming pile of unmaintainable
>> crap with no hope of improvement.
>>
>>
>> On 8 August 2016 23:16:09 CEST, AJLDuarte <ajlduarte at sapo.pt> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh but there was another talk going on with someone else outside that Jira.
>>> A lot more pleasant and friendly talk, but pretty much same thing.
>>> So like the other devs that tried talking with them before me, I no longer
>>> care if FS works on not with opensim.
>>> (And at SL, why use the dam thing with their c&p errors and not the original
>>> thing?)
>>>
>>> Our mantis, irc channels etc are there if they do want do discuss any
>>> problem.
>>> (yeah not going to happen we know...)
>>>
>>> Looking to the irc channels as I type, this thing does seem pretty much dead
>>> anyway...
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opensim-users-bounces at opensimulator.org
>>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at opensimulator.org] On Behalf Of Ai Austin
>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 14:26
>>> To: opensim-users at opensimulator.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Firestorm Viewer 4.7.7 overloads region
>>> capab!
>>>  ility to
>>> process RequestMapBlocks
>>>
>>> At 13:00 08/08/2016, From: "AJLDuarte" <ajlduarte at sapo.pt> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Final Firestorm response on this issue:
>>>> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-19778
>>>>
>>>
>>> From: drWhiet <drwhiet at spacefriends.de> Boom!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now now  :-)  ...  it was hardy a final comment or a definitive
>>> "Firestorm response". This was one frustrated comment by one (very
>>> active and helpful actually) developer who thought you were mixing up
>>> two issues... one (fixed in 4.7.9) bug in Firestorm 4.7.7 where a
>>> constant and never ending stream of map block request were made (very
>>> many per sec!
>>>  ond
>>> potentially) when at a certain zoom level on the map
>>> tool, and a change made to refresh the map blocks every 60 seconds to
>>> make the map tool be "live".
>>>
>>> Others on the Firestorm JIRA have clearly stated they themselves are
>>> OpenSim users and definitely want to see OpenSim well supported by
>>> Firestorm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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