[Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home

Fri Oct 23 12:23:31 UTC 2015

Thank you Shaun and Unadecal. The problem it's I have no clue what a VPN
is, means I need to google around and read, read until I understand what I
am doing. The coming month will be a very busy one, in RL and also in
Opensim. So looks like I must postpone this problem until January. If you
have some helpful links with tutorials or where to get a cheap or free
solution for VPN, Then can save the links and have a point to start with as
soon as I get time for this. If you dont have, no worries, you all have
done a lot for me already :)

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Unadecal Arado <unadecal.arado at gmail.com>
wrote:

> i agree with Shaun. A VPN seems to be your last resort in this case. Try a
> free service before you spend money on something which may not be suitable.
> As he says, you'll need to log in to the VPN before you log in to the grid.
>
> On 23 October 2015 at 12:21, Shaun T. Erickson <sterickson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A relatively cheap solution would be to get a VPN and hop onto that
>> before firing up you viewer to log into your grid. It would make your grid
>> think your coming from the Internet like everyone else and loop back issues
>> go away.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 4:43 AM, Isis Ophelia <isisophelia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Many thanks to Fred Beckhusen for the very detailled how to set the
>> Loopback. After I configured the Loopback I removed the line in the Host
>> file and started the Standalone. I could not log in. I added the line again
>> in the Host file. I loged in and hyper-teleported to the osgrid. But I
>> could not go back home. Solution with the Loopback does not work for me.
>>
>> The Fritzbox routers I got to test, are not usable because they are too
>> old. I need a router that is able to handle telephone through the internet
>> and also my TV receiver.
>>
>> c) so now seems the only option available for me it's to set a VPS or pay
>> to a provider to host my regions OR stay as I am hyper-travelling and
>> loging off in the grid I am visiting to relog in my standalone. And for now
>> I will opt for that. And wanted to let you all know.
>>
>> I appreciate a lot your responses and your suggestions. Thank you :))
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Isis Ophelia <isisophelia at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks so much for all replies.
>>> OK even tough my Telekom router has inside a Nat Loopback and I can
>>> configure it to forward the ports I mentioned above. It seems Thomas is
>>> right. It says to have Nat Loopback but it does not work properly. A friend
>>> told me to get a Fritzbox! router. I have hesitated to spend money in a new
>>> router not knowing if that will solve my problem. But from your comments, I
>>> see it is not opensim and not my configured files, it must be my router.
>>>
>>> Han Held, yes, that is all set. Works fine.
>>>
>>> Unadecal thanks a lot. Your answer to my July email has brought my
>>> problem up, thank you :) I have reverted RegionConfig.ini to the one I had
>>> before. Internal is now 0.0.0.0 and external is my dyndns domain from
>>> no-ip.
>>> A while back I installed the Microsoft Loopback Adapter. Even though I
>>> see it listed in my Internet Connections, my router does not see it.
>>> Googling around I have not found a tutorial on how to configure and use it.
>>> The Loopback is still installed. Anyone has a usable tutorial link please?
>>>
>>> Thomas in the meantime I got 2 older Fritzbox! routers to test. I will
>>> follow what you mentioned and will connect my Telekom router to the
>>> Fritzbox! router and see if that fixes the problem.
>>>
>>> TO DO.
>>>
>>> a) Fritzbox test see what happens
>>> b) if that doesnt help, then find a way on how to use the installed
>>> Microsoft Loopback Adapter
>>> c) or read around what a VPS is and test that solution.
>>>
>>> I will write in here, how I have been doing and if I solve the problem
>>> will let you know how I solved it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:50 AM, Unadecal Arado <
>>> unadecal.arado at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I concur with Thomas's outstanding explanation.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience, you might want to try doing the following:
>>>>
>>>> Make sure that your router forwards all the ports in use, and that
>>>> Windows Firewall has them open.
>>>> In RegionConfig, set all the internal ports to 0.0.0.0, and all the
>>>> ExternalHostName to arcanavirtual.noip.me
>>>> Undo changes to the hosts file.
>>>> Try installing the Microsoft Loopback adaptor and test.
>>>> If that does not work, uninstall the loopback adaptor and try a VPN
>>>> instead, since it is clear that your router does not support NAT loopback,
>>>> which is the source of your problem.
>>>>
>>>> I have used the FREE version of CyberGhost VPN in the past with some
>>>> measure of success.
>>>> The main thing here is to make sure that all the Opensim-specific
>>>> parameters are set correctly, test this by having HG users teleport into
>>>> your regions to verify that it all works, and then work on solving your NAT
>>>> loopback without breaking your server.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you can come right with this :)
>>>>
>>>> On 21 October 2015 at 22:59, Thomas Ringate <tringate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> opensim requires the loopback function to work for it to operate
>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Loopback can be implemented in a few ways as has already been
>>>>> suggested.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your server and viewer are on the same computer, using the windows
>>>>> loopback adapter will solve the problem for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are running several servers on an internal network, or you are
>>>>> trying to connect to a server on an internal network from a client, ”your
>>>>> viewer” which is on a different machine on the same internal network then
>>>>> the router must support loopback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most new home routers do not support loopback, and even those that
>>>>> claim to support it usually do not correctly support it.  This can be seen
>>>>> using a sniffer you can see that addresses in the individual packets often
>>>>> get the address of the router, rather than the actual address of the
>>>>> sending computer.  Fortunately this problem usually results in a timeout
>>>>> and opensim usually will do a retry and these “broken servers” for whatever
>>>>> reason often get it right more than they get it wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you do not have a router that correctly supports loopback, and you
>>>>> are not running everything on the same computer your only hope is to use a
>>>>> VPN to get outside of your local network so the remote router can do the
>>>>> loopback functions for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case I have Verizon FioS which uses the Actiontec modem which
>>>>> does not support loopback according to the manufacturer and using a sniffer
>>>>> I can say they are correct.  It does not.  However Verizon has implemented
>>>>> something in their head end some how that “tries” to implement it.  It
>>>>> works right about 40% of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found after hours and hours of discussion with Verizon technical
>>>>> support that their commercial costumers solve this problem by simply
>>>>> placing a router that does support loopback directly on their ONT and then
>>>>> connecting the Actiontec router to that router.  That is exactly what I
>>>>> have done using an old Linksys router and everything is now working fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> The correct term of the feature we are talking about is “NAT
>>>>> loopback”.  *NAT loopback*, also known as *NAT* hairpinning or *NAT*
>>>>> reflection, is a feature in many consumer routers which permits the access
>>>>> of a service via the public IP address from inside the local network.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe your issue is the perfect example of why opensim requires
>>>>> loopback to work.  The address of your local world is known by it’s NAT
>>>>> address, outside of your local network which is an un-routable address.
>>>>>
>>>>> By messing with your host file you can fake things for yourself inside
>>>>> your local network, but the IP address opensim is sending is either your
>>>>> external IP address or the local IP address.  It can not determine when to
>>>>> send one or the other so it sends what you tell it by a specific IP address
>>>>> or the domain name.
>>>>>
>>>>> With a router that supports NAT loopback, you use the domain name and
>>>>> both internal and external users work just fine.  If the router does not
>>>>> support it, and you are only running one opensim server on your local
>>>>> network, if you use your NAT address, only local users will work fine.  If
>>>>> you use you external IP address only external users will work fine.  If you
>>>>> run multiple opensim servers your router must support loopback if you
>>>>> expect remote users to be able to move between your regions on the
>>>>> different local servers without problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Han Held <hanheld at yahoo.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:26 PM
>>>>> *To:* opensim-users at opensimulator.org
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home
>>>>>
>>>>> 192.168.2.xxx is an internal network number; that works fine until you
>>>>> have to connect to the outside internet, once you do that opensim gets
>>>>> confused.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a no-ip address which I set up to my actual home LAN number,
>>>>> which I get from whatismyip.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/21/2015 07:54 AM, Isis Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Garmin. I have configured my internet connection to be a
>>>>> static internal IP which is 192.168.2.10. Following your suggestion I
>>>>> replaced the 0.0.0.0 with that IP.
>>>>> Result is: The console shows:
>>>>> 17:48:30 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Welcome authenticated and authorized
>>>>> incoming
>>>>> root agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 (circuit
>>>>> code 40308
>>>>> 2697)
>>>>>
>>>>> And the viewer tells me: We are having problems connecting. There
>>>>> might be a problem with your internet connection or the Arcana World Grid.
>>>>> So pity this does not help :(
>>>>> Thank so much though :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 4:24 PM, GarminKawaguichi <
>>>>> <garmin.kawaguichi at magalaxie.com>garmin.kawaguichi at magalaxie.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe try that:
>>>>>> in your RegionConfig.ini
>>>>>>
>>>>>> InternalAddress = something like 192.168.0.??? (local lan address
>>>>>> different for different computers on a same lan)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MML
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 21/10/2015 15:37, Isis Ophelia a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stand October 21, 2015
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) router is configured to forward TCP and UDP Ports 9000-9006
>>>>>> 2) windows firewall Inbound Rule TPC ports 9000-9006 and UDP Ports
>>>>>> 9000-9006 for diva-r25950 -> Opensim.exe
>>>>>> 3) Dyndns noip installed software that will update my external IP
>>>>>> each time it changes
>>>>>> 4) Hosts file: 127.0.0.1    arcanavirtual.noip.me
>>>>>> This add-on in the host file is recommended from Diva Canto in the
>>>>>> Instructions file, when diva opensim and viewer are installed in the same
>>>>>> PC. When I remove the line from the Hosts file, I am not able to connect to
>>>>>> my Standalone with any viewer installed in my PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attached MyWorld.ini and RegionConfig.ini
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the RegionConfig.ini the line: ExternalHostName = "SYSTEMIP"
>>>>>> replacing SYSTEMIP with my external domain does not make any difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With these configurations, I can connect to my Standalone. I can work
>>>>>> in my 6 regions. I can hyperteleport to any HG enable grid. And a test
>>>>>> showed that others can reach my Standalone and go back to their home grid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still not able to go back home. The message I get in the Console
>>>>>> says something like: unexpectedly still child avatar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So for now, I just log off in the hypergrid I am visiting, and log on
>>>>>> in my Standalone again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Unadecal Arado <
>>>>>> <unadecal.arado at gmail.com>unadecal.arado at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Isis, please see comments to your original post:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of the top of my head, you need to forward the simulator ports on
>>>>>>> the router and Windows Firewall (I completely disable Windows Firewall on
>>>>>>> all my computers).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adding your domain name as a loopback alias in the hosts file is a
>>>>>>> sign that your router is unable to handle loopback calls, i.e. is unable to
>>>>>>> resolve your domain name to your external IPand allow traffic to travel
>>>>>>> back into and through itself. There are other software solutions to this,
>>>>>>> such as using a vpn while you are logged into the viewer. Fiddling with the
>>>>>>> hosts file is not recommended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't seen your regionsconfig.ini, but make sure that the
>>>>>>> address entry contains your domain name andnot your ip address (internal or
>>>>>>> external)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are the things I can think of off the top of my head, I hope
>>>>>>> it helps :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9 July 2015 at 13:27, Isis Ophelia < <isisophelia at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> isisophelia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone running diva as standalone HG enabled in own PC? I hope you
>>>>>>>> have a solution for my problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> System: Windows 8.1
>>>>>>>> Diva (OpenSim 0.8.1 post-fixes) Added 5/26/201
>>>>>>>> Mowes: for mysql + php + apache
>>>>>>>> Windows Firewall: Inbound rules to open ports TCP + UDP 9100-9106
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===> Also needs to forward 9250-9255
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Router: forwarding ports TCP + UDP 9100-9106
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===> Also needs to forward 9250-9255
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DynDNS: noip with installed updater software in this pc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diva installation and viewer in the same LAN PC
>>>>>>>> hosts: added in the hosts file this line: 127.0.0.1
>>>>>>>> arcanavirtual.noip.me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===> Adding a loopback to localhost (127.0.0.1) as the domain name
>>>>>>> can be problematic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Name of the Standalone: Arcana Magic
>>>>>>>> With login url: <http://arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100/>
>>>>>>>> http://arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Set Home Position in the default region.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can log to my standalone.
>>>>>>>> I can teleport to different other HG grids (have tested Metropolis,
>>>>>>>> OsGrid, Digiworldz)
>>>>>>>> But I never arrive when teleporting back home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Console shows these messages:
>>>>>>>> 11:10:23 - [GATEKEEPER SERVICE]: Login request for Isis.Ophelia
>>>>>>>> @arcanavirtual.n
>>>>>>>> oip.me @ http://arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100/
>>>>>>>> (1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d7
>>>>>>>> 7) at b773f2f0-0755-4542-9772-cad2b9add4b3 using viewer Avination
>>>>>>>> 0.5.0.6219, ch
>>>>>>>> annel Avination, IP 192.168.2.10, Mac
>>>>>>>> 469947894f9e298a7726b4a58ff7bf9f, Id0 f33e
>>>>>>>> 5e6cd69709d805b47dabf4089ab2, Teleport Flags: ViaHome. From region
>>>>>>>> Nile Goddess
>>>>>>>> (2f7ad640-21a9-0e0e-fb41-db1ed7fe9517) @
>>>>>>>> http://login.digiworldz.com:8002/
>>>>>>>> 11:10:23 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Magic authenticated and
>>>>>>>> authorized incoming ch
>>>>>>>> ild agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77
>>>>>>>> (circuit code 280539
>>>>>>>> 970)
>>>>>>>> 11:10:44 - [SCENE]: Found presence Isis Ophelia
>>>>>>>> 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa0
>>>>>>>> 6d77 unexpectedly still child in Arcana Magic
>>>>>>>> 11:10:44 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of 86 PUT
>>>>>>>> /agent/1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499
>>>>>>>> d0aa06d77/   from 38.130.222.165:57688 took 20094ms
>>>>>>>> 11:11:06 - [SCENE]: Found presence Isis Ophelia
>>>>>>>> 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa0
>>>>>>>> 6d77 unexpectedly still child in Arcana Magic
>>>>>>>> 11:11:06 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of 87 PUT
>>>>>>>> /agent/1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499
>>>>>>>> d0aa06d77/   from 38.130.222.165:57698 took 20062ms
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>>>> Before I had configured MyWorld.ini and RegionConfig.ini with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http_listener_port = 9250 and 6 regions with Ports 9250-9255
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ====> Which  address do you use in RegionConfig.ini? do you use your
>>>>>>> IP address or your domain name? It must be the domain name as in
>>>>>>> arcanavirtual.noip.me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I noticed that when I hyper-teleported to another grid, over my
>>>>>>>> head will show:
>>>>>>>> Isis.Ophelia at arcanavirtual.noip.me:9000  <----- not 9250
>>>>>>>> and at the next start of Diva the port changed again to:
>>>>>>>> Isis.Ophelia at arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100  <-----  not 9250
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ====> <http://Isis.Ophelia@arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100>
>>>>>>> Isis.Ophelia at arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100 is correct, since that's
>>>>>>> your grid address, not your sim address
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I changed MyWorld.ini and RegionConfig.ini to have now the
>>>>>>>> listener Port to be 9100 and Regions Ports are 9100-9105
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since 2 weeks troubleshooting this installation with no sucess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isis Ophelia
>>>>>>>>
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