[Opensim-users] ReleaseOSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166: 2015-11-23shutdown problems

Thu Nov 26 17:35:42 UTC 2015

Hello Thomas,

While i vehemently agree that being able to run linux opensim servers is very much desired, you are aware that 0.9.0.0 is still an unreleased version of opensim, right?

With opensim as a whole being classified as 'alpha' unreleased versions are even more experimental than an alpha release.

Mono itself isn't the most stable platform either. I can't run opensim on any mono version available onfreebsd for example.

Nor can i use the wifi on my new laptop with any of the current 'stable' branches of the linux kernel.

This is the ecosystem of open source. Complex constellations of various versions of incompatible software maintained by lots of different teams. And when something breaks, it obviously always is the other project's fault.

I couldn't run opensim (an actually releases version) on my linux box a few months ago. Turned out a kernel upgrade broke something. Was it the kernel? Was it ubuntu's modifications to the kernel? Was it mono? Was it opensim? I don't know but something was fixed and without updating opensim i can now run it on the latest linux kernel and mono version that is default on my distro.

The bottom line is: if no one cares enough about the isdue to do the work of debugging and finding out whic project is yo blame, it won't get done no matter how much you complain.

No-one gives a rats ass about me not being able to use the wifi under linux on my new laptop. So unless i want to go in and debug this myself i just need to find a workaround. Get a usb wifi dongle that is supported for example.

And if no one cares about not being able to run opensim on freebsd, i either fix it (wouldn't know where to start) or find a work-around. Obviously, when the workaround (running opensim on linux) fails to work as well and i don't care enough to fix it myself, i will shrug, exit the opensim stage and move on to one of the new and hip platforms.

Anyway, i do think there are enough people to care about opensim on linux to prevent that fron becoming a reality. I'm confident that when distro's start installing 4.x versions of mono by default, issues will be fixed. But supporting all the variants of mono that are out there now, and behave differently on various major fronts, it's expected that the priority is to have opensim work well with common versions of mono.

Rather lengthy post, don't know how that happened :)

Cheers,

Tom

On 26 November 2015 17:53:21 CET, Thomas Ringate <tringate at gmail.com> wrote:
>Thanks for the information.  I am running the same new version 4.2.1
>(Stable 4.2.1.102/6dd2d0d Thu Nov 12 04:43:41 EST 2015) of mono.
>
>I am going to put up with the shutdown issue until they really know it
>is mono and someone who knows what is not working can report it to the
>mono team.
>
>Dropping back to a rather old release of mono as the opensim solution
>really isn’t a great resolution in my mind unless the opensim
>developers have identified what opensim is doing that is a legal
>operation and mono is not handling it correctly.
>
>Opensim “OSgrid 0.8.3.0 (Dev) 41b2855: 2015-10-21” worked just fine on
>this release of mono.  Obviously opensim changed something that mono
>can not handle. Looking for a version of mono that works rather than
>understanding why the current version of mono does not work with the
>new release of opensim isn’t the right solution, unless the problem is
>reported to the mono team so it can be fixed.
>
>If this is the new approach to fixing issues with opensim, I do not
>think it will be long before the only os that opensim will run on will
>be “windows with .net” and those of us who are using Linux with mono
>will be left in the dust.
>
>I run my development standalone on my windows desktop machine and the
>current version of opensim works just fine there like others have
>reported.   I need it to work on the 17 instances of opensim I run on
>three Linux servers as well.
>
>One should keep in mind neither windows or .net are open source, yet
>opensim is open source.  mono is open source, developers should honor
>their commitment to open source compatibility with the courtesy of
>letting the mono team know they have an issue so it can be fixed.
>
>
>From: AJLDuarte
>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:11 PM
>To: opensim-users at opensimulator.org
>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] ReleaseOSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166:
>2015-11-23shutdown problems
>
>Hi
>
>    Similar issue was already reported, and found to be related to mono
>
>                Check http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743
>
>regards
>
>
>
>From: opensim-users-bounces at opensimulator.org
>[mailto:opensim-users-bounces at opensimulator.org] On Behalf Of Han Held
>Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 03:59
>To: opensim-users at opensimulator.org
>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] ReleaseOSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166:
>2015-11-23 shutdown problems
>
>
>
>More likely than not, it's a mono problem. I've encountered that
>sporadically over the years. What is your os (vendor, version, 32 bit
>or 64 bit) and what's the output of mono --version ?
>
>On 11/25/15 1:39 PM, Thomas Ringate wrote:
>
>Anyone else having a problem with shutting down a simulator since
>upgrading to release OSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166: 2015-11-23?
>
>
>
>I can only shut down the simulator by using a Linux “kill” command. 
>The opensim “quit” command no longer works.  It goes to the point you
>get the message “Exiting...” and then hangs forever.
>
>
>
>The simulators appear to be running fine, but kind of a nuisance not to
>be able to use normal commands to shut them down.
>
>
>
>  They are running in a “screen” terminal window.
>
>
>
>  Here is the log of a shutdown immediately after launching a region.
>
>
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:29,952 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase [SERVER BASE]: Running
>shutdown_commands.txt
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:29,978 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase [SERVER BASE]: Running 'backup'
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:33,925 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]:
>Closing all threads
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]:
>Killing listener thread
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]:
>Killing clients
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]:
>Closing console and terminating
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:33,927 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Closing down the single
>simulator: Sanctuary
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:34,148 DEBUG (Maintenance (Sanctuary)) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
>Maintenance (Sanctuary), ID 79
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:34,428 DEBUG (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: TriggerSceneShuttingDown
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:34,428 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.EventManager [EVENT MANAGER]:
>TriggerSceneShuttingDown done
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:34,429 DEBUG (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Persisting changed
>objects
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:34,588 DEBUG (1) -
>OpenSim.Services.GridService.GridService [GRID SERVICE]: Deregistering
>region Sanctuary (3b15c050-1fe4-11df-8a39-0800200c9a66) at 10054-9986
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:34,909 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]:
>Shutting down region Sanctuary
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:35,678 DEBUG (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.Voice.VivoxVoice.VivoxVoiceModule
>[VivoxVoice]: region Sanctuary: uuid
>3b15c050-1fe4-11df-8a39-0800200c9a66: located directory id 4439471
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:35,773 DEBUG (Threadpool worker) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
>Heartbeat-(Sanctuary), ID 75
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:35,774 ERROR (Threadpool worker) - OpenSim.OpenSim
>[WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread "Heartbeat-(Sanctuary)".
>ThreadState=Stopped. Last tick was 1916ms ago.
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,025 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager [DATASNAPSHOT]: Region
>Sanctuary is being removed, removing from indexing
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,031 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.XEngine.XEngine [XEngine]: Shutting down
>487 scripts in Sanctuary
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,208 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.LLUDPServer [LLUDPSERVER]:
>Shutting down the LLUDP server for Sanctuary
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,208 DEBUG (1) - OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase
>[UDPBASE]: Stopping outbound UDP loop
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,209 DEBUG (1) - OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase
>[UDPBASE]: Stopping inbound UDP loop
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,210 DEBUG (Outgoing Packets (Sanctuary)) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
>Outgoing Packets (Sanctuary), ID 59
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,223 DEBUG (1) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
>InventoryWorkerThread0, ID 66
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,223 DEBUG (1) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
>InventoryWorkerThread1, ID 67
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,231 DEBUG (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Dispose Physics
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,234 DEBUG (bulletunmanaged (Sanctuary)) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
>bulletunmanaged (Sanctuary), ID 57
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,246 DEBUG (Incoming Packets (Sanctuary)) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
>Incoming Packets (Sanctuary), ID 58
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,391 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.XmlRpcGroups.SimianGroupsServicesConnectorModule
>[SIMIAN-GROUPS-CONNECTOR]: Closing SimianGroupsServicesConnector
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,392 DEBUG (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.XmlRpcGroups.XmlRpcGroupsServicesConnectorModule
>[XMLRPC-GROUPS-CONNECTOR]: Closing XmlRpcGroupsServicesConnector
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,798 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager [DATASNAPSHOT]: data
>service http://search.osgrid.org/register.php notified. Secret:
>38384e09-f875-4b31-a5a0-dccc4566ac1d
>
>2015-11-25 17:18:36,801 INFO  (1) -
>OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer [SHUTDOWN]: Shutdown
>processing on main thread complete.  Exiting...
>
>
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