[Opensim-users] Branded opensim viewers

Wed Feb 19 19:21:14 UTC 2014

Hi Mic, I used to click on a big blue button on a web page to launch the
viewer automatically and I would land where I am supposed, but I don't use
this any more, I am not even sure if it still works, probably not. I do not
know exactly how the browser viewer link was made before.
R

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Mic Bowman <cmickeyb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Ramesh...
>
> Which option does kitely support?
>
> Do you know how the viewer gets started? Do singularity or firestorm
> support the loginuri command line switch?
>
> I've thought about resurrecting the simian launcher code & seeing if i
> could get it to work again... the openid support is still there in siman, i
> just dont think its been tested in several years.
>
> --mic
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Moriz Gupte <moriz.gupte at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi mic,
>> Kitely implemented the approach you suggested but due to some changes
>> with chrome (and some of the other browsers I think), now the recommended
>> way to log in is through the viewer. Illan or Oren can perhaps tell us more
>> or correct me.
>> Ramesh
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Mic Bowman <cmickeyb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a related question... for a while simian provided a separate
>>> "launcher" application could launch a viewer and embed in the login URI
>>> your openid credentials (the launcher app when installed registered with
>>> the internet browser as a handler for a URL scheme). It was pretty nice
>>> because there was no need to set up login uris in the viewer at all (and
>>> you didn't have to "login" if you had an authenticated OpenID). I still
>>> have the code but it relied on the viewers supporting the command line
>>> "--loginuri" switch so it stopped working when the viewers stopped
>>> supporting that switch.
>>>
>>> At this point... i'm interested in one of two login/startup options:
>>>
>>> Option 1: provide a URL in a web page which, when clicked on, would
>>> launch the viewer with the login uri embedded (obviously supporting an
>>> openid authentication would be nice too).
>>>
>>> Option 2: provide a URL for a hypergrid link which, when clicked on,
>>> would log you into your home grid with the startup region a hypergridded
>>> region.
>>>
>>> I kind of prefer the second option because it doesn't require account
>>> creation... but either one would help us with the login uri configuration
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> --mic
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Diva Canto <diva at metaverseink.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I don't know about "branding" viewers, that's a whole other issue.
>>>> But regarding the process to make these environments easily accessible to
>>>> newcomers, I have some advice.
>>>>
>>>> A setup guide with painfully clear instructions works very well for
>>>> people who have never used this system before. I'm making the one I wrote
>>>> publicly available for non-commercial use, feel free to direct your users
>>>> to it:
>>>> http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/SingularitySetupGuide.pdf
>>>> I usually send this setup guide by email along with the two URLs that
>>>> people need, one in step 1 and the other in step 4. In the email, I let
>>>> them know that they will need those URLs in those steps.
>>>>
>>>> So far, I've had zero problems with people configuring things and
>>>> login.
>>>>
>>>> Interacting while inside the world is another story, as these
>>>> environments are extremely confusing for people who aren't used to them.
>>>> For those of you designing educational settings in opensim, my
>>>> recommendation is to design your environments so that people have a lot
>>>> less degrees of freedom than what these viewers provide. For example, have
>>>> people login to an environment with chairs/sits, and immediately have them
>>>> click on a chair and sit down. The chairs should have scripts for
>>>> controlling their cameras, so that they look at exactly the right thing,
>>>> whatever that is.
>>>>
>>>> I wrote about some of these design issues here:
>>>>
>>>> http://tagide.com/blog/2013/03/design-and-implementation-of-a-virtual-collaboration-environment/
>>>>
>>>> I've made peace with the fact that we have a complicated client
>>>> software that people need to install and configure. The way to mitigate the
>>>> complexity for newcomers is threefold:
>>>>
>>>> (1) avoid the Grid Manager altogether and use the grid textbox for the
>>>> login URL, which, thank god!, the Singularity developers already did;
>>>>
>>>> (2) provide setup guides that are as clear as possible (we're not the
>>>> only ones doing this, btw; many web conferencing systems also require
>>>> software installation and configuration); and
>>>>
>>>> (3) design your environments so that they are as simple as possible --
>>>> these environments have too many degrees of freedom, but it's possible to
>>>> reduce them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/19/2014 7:45 AM, Dr Ramesh Ramloll wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kay, I think there are a number of things that need tailoring in
>>>> addition to the ability of adding a grid (which as diva pointed is
>>>> available in singularity). For my user base, no one will ever be interested
>>>> to do even that (no interest => will never learn). I was hoping for some
>>>> configuration file that can contain the needed custom data e.g. list of
>>>> names of regions, urls to pictures of various regions etc.. and once the
>>>> user downloads the viewer+drop the custom config file in the same folder,
>>>> the config file is read and all the important pieces set on application
>>>> launch. So may be working with tpv developers can help .... I definitely
>>>> think that the only things the casual user should know is how to navigate,
>>>> click/touch, and voice chat. The rest is for us.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Diva Canto <diva at metaverseink.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Singularity already has this.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/19/2014 4:42 AM, Kay McLennan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  As an alternative to re-branding 3 different versions of a viewer
>>>>> (to match 3 different operating systems) each time a viewer is upgraded,
>>>>> would it be possible to develop viewers that utilize web browser-like
>>>>> addresses (?).  What I have in mind is being able to type (or copy) a
>>>>> grid's login URL directly into the "Grid" text box.  In this way, there is
>>>>> no need to:  (1) re-brand viewers; or (2) go through all of the steps
>>>>> needed to add a grid to a viewer via the "Grid Manager" feature.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Again, wouldn't it be easier to develop viewers that enable users to
>>>>> simply type a grid URL into the grid name box (?).
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Kay
>>>>>
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