[Opensim-users] web browser and flash application

Thu Jan 17 12:22:49 UTC 2013

Hi xristina,

I don't know how the not-really-MOAP-but-kinda-MOAP feature in the last
beta version of Imprudence works, but at least on the Second Life viewer in
Second Life, the Media on a Prim feature is essentially opening up a
different web browser window for each viewer/user - even if it appears like
everyone is looking at the same window, they aren't.  This is why synching
dynamic content doesn't work very well, even if you could manage to get
everyone to look or click at exactly the same time, with network latency
and other things, it's never going to be actually synchronized any more
than 10 people opening a browser window on separate computers could be
synchronized.  Or at least that's my understanding of how things work.

If you actually want to show synchronized content, or allow people to
interact with a whiteboard-type web application, I'm afraid all my testing
and trials have led me to think it's better to just open a darn web browser
outside the viewer.  For videos and the like, as someone else suggested,
streaming is a much more reliable alternative.

In the end, I've found that MOAP is useful in limited use-cases for showing
relatively static pages.  For the kinds of applications you've been
describing, I've ended up thinking MOAP was way more trouble than it was
worth, if you can even get what you want to work at all.

That's my experience anyway.

Sincerely,

- Chris/Fleep

Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque)
Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM)
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On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:42 AM, xristina volioti <
kri_krivolioti at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Well, thank you a lot!
>
> Firstly I tried this with the whiteboard, but the interaction is only to
> go back or forth to the slides, and I want inside the slides to choose from
> one or more options.
> Secondly, when I use the streaming programs, the interaction doesn't work
> at all, and I've tried the authorstream, another program that has the
> option of Live present, and although the interaction works the sound
> doesn't play!! : (
> And if a play from somewhere else the sound, it isn't synchronized with
> the slides!
>
> If you have any idea...please tell me!
> Thank you!!
> With regards
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:30:39 -0500
> > From: inuyasha.meiji at gmail.com
>
> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] web browser and flash application
> >
> > Mmm, you might also want to look into live streaming, like the DJs do in
> > SL. Streaming sems to make everyone hear the music and the DJs talking
> > to everyone all at once.
> >
> > InuYasha.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/16/2013 7:53 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
> > > You want to search for tools which allow real time presentation over
> > > the web, since it's the web you are using from media on a prim and not
> > > the simulator itself.
> > >
> > > A quick google for "web real time presentation" brings up a few, such
> > > as blacktonic and prezi. I've no idea how good any of these tools are.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, for presentations in particular I know there are
> > > various LSL simulator tools (not media on a prim) which implement a
> > > slideshow. Unfortunately, I can't help with specifics of where to
> > > find these for OpenSim or whether any are available in IARs. On a
> > > quick google, there's a very primitive script at [1] but I didn't
> > > write it so I can't help further (and part is in german!).
> > >
> > > I'm not terribly surprised youtube doesn't appear simultaneously.
> > > Different computers will take different speeds to load and play the
> > > video.
> > >
> > > [1] http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Presentation_Board
> > >
> > > On 16/01/13 13:52, xristina volioti wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I also want to add that neither a youtube video played at the same
> > >> time from two different computers, but to the same
> > >> browser (media on a prim). Is something that I made wrong?
> > >> Only simple web pages played simultaneously.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you a lot!
> > >>
> > >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > >>
> > >> From: kri_krivolioti at hotmail.com
> > >> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > >> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:13:05 +0200
> > >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] web browser and flash application
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thank you a lot!
> > >>
> > >> I' ve tried something easier with articulate and I published to a
> > >> site, but it doesn't play them at the same time. : (
> > >> Do you know any program in order to create simple interactive and
> > >> collaborative slides to a web on prim in Opensim? For
> > >> example with slideshare?? I've tried google powerpoint but it doesn't
> > >> support sound to slides.
> > >> Or do you know where to ask this?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you once more!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:00:45 +0000
> > >> > From: jjustincc at googlemail.com
> > >> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] web browser and flash application
> > >> >
> > >> > Unfortunately, since each viewer is directly connecting to the
> > >> flash application, it's the flash application that would
> > >> > have to perform this co-ordination, through ajax or something
> > >> similar. Google docs, for instance, does this so that
> > >> > people can see each other's edits over the web.
> > >> >
> > >> > On 14/01/13 23:40, xristina volioti wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hello,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I have done an interactive online flash application which I want
> > >> to play it through a wed browser into OpenSim.
> > >> > > Do you know how to synchronise the slides in order to two
> > >> avatars see the same? My problem is that, although other web
> > >> > > pages, such as google plays simultaneously (with a small delay
> > >> but it plays), my flash application doesn't play at the
> > >> > > same time, also if my avatar clicks one button from the flash
> > >> application, the action is not responding to another
> > >> > > avatar's web browser.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Does anyone know something about it?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thank you a lot in advance!!
> > >> > > Best regards,
> > >> > > Christina
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
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