[Opensim-users] singularity vs firestorm

Tue Aug 27 13:56:03 UTC 2013

I have all three viewers -- Kokua, Firestorm, and Singularity -- loaded on
my computer and seem to use all three.  Still, Singularity has two unique
features I like a lot -- (1) the retention/rendering of the world map
function even after several hypergrid jumps; and (2) the [new] ability to
convert prim builds into a dae file format!

Again, I like all three but Singularity has a couple of features I happen
to have a use for now.

Best,
Kay

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Fleep Tuque <fleep513 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One other note I wanted to add to this thread, my own personal preference
> prior to working with the conference was Imprudence/Kokua.  Particularly
> Imprudence because it is such a stable workhorse!  So when the planning
> team started talking about other viewers, I told them they'd pry Imp out of
> my cold dead avatar hands.  ;)
>
> Fortunately, I discovered that Singularity is as stable for me crash-wise
> as Imprudence was, even on my older laptop, and as much as I <3 Imprudence
> (and I still do!), I've also had to come to terms with the fact that
> without Mesh and MOAP support, Imprudence is pretty limited in viewing all
> of the great new mesh and media content people are creating.
>
> So I just wanted to say on a personal note, I definitely understand how
> strong our attachment can become to the tools we use, because I felt the
> same way.  However, Imprudence just won't work for the conference since our
> presenters will be using MOAP and many components in the conference builds
> use mesh for greater detail and rendering efficiency.  So if there are any
> other Imprudence hold-outs out there, I'd encourage you to give the OSCC
> Viewer a try.
>
> http://conference.opensimulator.org/2013/login-info/
>
> Sincerely,
>
> - Chris/Fleep
>
>
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> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Fleep Tuque <fleep513 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Regarding a "recommended" viewer for the OpenSimulator Community
>> Conference, we are certainly not saying that other viewers aren't great to
>> use - many of them are!  And we will have a panel of viewer developers in
>> the Developers & Opensource track as part of the conference program,
>> including Firestorm and Kokua, so we'd encourage you to attend that session
>> to learn more about the various options available.
>>
>> However, we have many newbies and people who don't have much experience
>> with OpenSimulator or third party viewers in general planning to attend the
>> event, so we needed to pick one viewer to document instructions and
>> settings in order to make the event as accessible as possible to people who
>> aren't "power users".  We also wanted to make sure our (tirelessly
>> hardworking) volunteer team could focus on supporting one known viewer
>> rather than trying to learn all the ins and outs of many viewers.
>>
>> Singularity was chosen because it supports Mesh and MOAP, and because the
>> viewer interface is relatively uncluttered.  It may be a judgement call,
>> but the conference planning team reviewed all of the viewers that support
>> Mesh and MOAP, tested them for performance, and we made a choice based on
>> what we felt would offer the best, least confusing option to the least
>> experienced user.
>> I'm sure you can appreciate that it just simply wouldn't be feasible for
>> us to try to support every viewer out there.
>>
>> We know that many experienced OpenSimulator users have their own
>> preferred viewer - and that's fine!  We're providing basic instructions and
>> connection details for other viewers as well, so anyone who feels
>> comfortable using a different viewer can do so, but we expect those folks
>> to need a lot less hand holding in general.  So long as the viewer supports
>> Mesh and MOAP, it should work great for the conference, and we encourage
>> experienced users to use whatever viewer they are most comfortable with -
>> it's just that we can only offer support for the one viewer we've tested,
>> documented, and that our volunteer team has trained on.
>>
>> I think it's a strength of the OpenSimulator ecosystem that we have so
>> many viewers to choose from, and though we've chosen one viewer to
>> recommend for the conference, that is not meant to imply in any way that
>> other viewers aren't also good.  It's simply the logistics of trying to
>> support hundreds of users with varying degrees of experience.
>>
>> I hope that clarifies things a bit!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Chris/Fleep
>>
>>
>> Chris M. Collins (Avatar: Fleep Tuque)
>> Vice President, AvaCon, Inc.
>> 275 Winthrop Street
>> PO Box 618
>> Rehoboth, MA 02769-1819
>> (774) 654-0010
>> info at avacon.org
>> http://avacon.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mike Chase <
>> mike.chase at alternatemetaverse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 20:03 -0400, Dr Ramesh Ramloll wrote:
>>> > Hello there,
>>> > I am wondering why singularity is a better viewer than firestorm. I
>>> > suppose it is because I see the opensimcc is recommending to use it.
>>> > Ive never used singularity. Please share your thoughts. Is the fps for
>>> > e.g. significantly better, shadow rendering etc... etc.. I am always
>>> > willing to learn more.
>>> > Thank you.
>>> > Ramesh
>>> >
>>>
>>> They're not better, or worse, just different.  Firestorm has some
>>> advantages as does Singularity.  It's really a matter of preference.
>>> Sort of a shame a specific viewer was "recommended" for the conference
>>> if it was.  I don't see a good reason for it (other than singularity
>>> added the conference grid but its a small matter of doing that).
>>>
>>> For the record Melanie is a commit-er on the Singularity project so she
>>> might be a tad biased.  Just saying.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> >
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