[Opensim-users] Awaiting region handshake

Sat Aug 20 16:33:47 UTC 2011

So you hijack the thread to reprimand me.
Lol
On Aug 20, 2011 12:31 PM, "Shaun Erickson" <ste at smxy.org> wrote:
> Then you should have started a new thread, rather than hijacking this one.
You know, there used to be a thing called nettiquette.
>
> -ste
>
> On Aug 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Wayne <lppwayne at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Diva,
>> I''ve been running the diva version of opensim for a week now and kudos
to you for a simple setup and solid config.
>> I am having trouble in one area though and that is in getting the groups
module working. Nothing had worked and I am caught in the confirmation
screen over and over-the group never creates, no record in database,
nothing.
>> Can you please offer an example of how the setup should look for groups
and what and where should files be?
>> Thank you.
>> I know this Has nothing to do with this thread but I saw your name and
jumped to ask this question.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2011 12:06 PM, "Diva Canto" <diva at metaverseink.com> wrote:
>> > Let me rephrase your question: can you start with a standalone and a
>> > MySQL DB, and add more simulator servers running standalones [connected

>> > to that same DB] to obtain a grid? The answer is yes -- that's a
>> > serverless grid ("serverless" means that it runs without the Robust or
>> > other resource server(s) in between the simulators and the DB server).
>> > It doesn't work with the configuration that comes out-of-the-box for
>> > standalones, but it's just a matter of changing a few connectors for
>> > this configuration in the .inis.
>> > I use use such configuration on my grids.
>> >
>> > On 8/19/2011 6:28 PM, Guardian wrote:
>> >> This then leads to the question, can a standalone be changed over to
grid?
>> >> If you use a mysql backend for the standalone, can it just be changed
>> >> over to grid in the configs?
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:52 AM, Diva Canto <diva at metaverseink.com
>> >> <mailto:diva at metaverseink.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> See basic definitions here, which is the model that has been
>> >> guiding OpenSim development for a while:
>> >> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Virtual_World_Model
>> >>
>> >> In principle, the concept of grid is orthogonal to the concept of
>> >> simulator trust domain. In practice, and in the vast majority of
>> >> cases, they are unified (i.e. 1 grid = 1 trust domain), but in a
>> >> few but famous cases, they aren't -- that's the case of OSGrid,
>> >> which is a grid with several simulator trust domains in it. If the
>> >> concept of "simulator trust domain" is too abstract, substitute
>> >> the expression "multiple simulator trust domains" by "connecting
>> >> someone else's simulator to a grid".
>> >>
>> >> Technically, what makes a grid being a grid is having multiple
>> >> simulator servers serving different portions of the virtual space,
>> >> instead of just one simulator server -- that's all. One can run a
>> >> grid with an external resource server (Robust, Simian) or without,
>> >> using only simulator servers and a shared DB; the latter
>> >> configuration is what I call serverless grids:
>> >> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Serverless_Grids -- that article is
>> >> outdated, but it explains the concept.
>> >>
>> >> When there are multiple simulators (=grid), whether the simulators
>> >> are operated by the same authority or decentralized by several
>> >> authorities is a different issue. For example, the Avination grid
>> >> and the SL grid are each operated entirely by one authority; the
>> >> OSGrid grid is operated by a multitude of authorities [that must
>> >> implicitly trust each other at the moment].
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 8/19/2011 8:13 AM, Bob Wellman wrote:
>> >>> I have run Opensim both standalone as standalone and for the last
>> >>> three years PMgrid in grid mode so I understand the differences
>> >>> very well.
>> >>>
>> >>> However I can see where newcommers get confused when we talk
>> >>> about grids beings a collection of regions and then use the term
>> >>> "grid mode" to mean running using several servers or service
>> >>> instances in collaberation to run a grid.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have often wondered if it wouldnt be better to coin a different
>> >>> term for what we currently call grid mode to avoid confusion.
>> >>> Maybe we could use Cooperative mode or Multi Service mode or
>> >>> Distributed mode to describe the alternative mode to Standalone.
>> >>> Something that better decribes the mode of operation rather than
>> >>> "grid" which I think should be used just to describe the region
>> >>> arrangement. Just a thought!
>> >>>
>> >>> When Intels DSG work hits mainstream (soon I hope) we will need
>> >>> to distinguish grids that run using the current central
>> >>> Robust.exe(s) and one or more Opensim.exe instances (i.e. what we
>> >>> now call "Grid mode") to those that run the new even more
>> >>> Distrubuted services provided by DSG.
>> >>>
>> >>> Getting good clear terminology for mdes of operation defined now
>> >>> would help a lot in future I think.
>> >>>
>> >>> Like I say just my thoughts. Any one else have thoughts on this?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:11:25 +0100
>> >>> > From: t.gildersleeve at bradfordcollege.ac.uk
>> >>> <mailto:t.gildersleeve at bradfordcollege.ac.uk>
>> >>> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>> >>> <mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Awaiting region handshake
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks for the clarification Diva, me jumping in too quickly I
>> >>> guess.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I didn't think a standalone accepted region registration
>> >>> requests from
>> >>> > other opensim.exe's, but that you needed robust.exe to accept
>> >>> > registrations from other opensim.exe's. I know that opensim.exe
>> >>> > handles all the services when in standalone - but thought it
>> >>> was "cut
>> >>> > down" and didn't support external region registrations. I take
>> >>> it from
>> >>> > what you say it can do that? I've never even tried tbh.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > What you say about owners not supporting ad-hoc regions being
>> >>> connected
>> >>> > is of course true but that is a policy issue and enforced by
>> >>> firewall
>> >>> > rules. As far as I am aware robust.exe WILL accept a registration
>> >>> > request from other opensim.exe's if the port to it is left open. Of
>> >>> > course, I may well be wrong with that but when I asked about
>> >>> this before
>> >>> > (if there was any way to stop people registering with my grid -
>> >>> I was
>> >>> > told I had to block the port and that would be the way to do it).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >>> > From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>> >>> <mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de>
>> >>> > [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of
>> >>> Diva Canto
>> >>> > Sent: 18 August 2011 20:56
>> >>> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>> >>> <mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Awaiting region handshake
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > I believe you can create as many regions as you like in a
>> >>> standalone
>> >>> > > but you are the only person that can go there I have created
>> >>> both and
>> >>> > > to have other ppl come to visit you need to be a grid
>> >>> >
>> >>> > This is not correct. Standalones can handle users from anywhere
>> >>> in the
>> >>> > world, as long as the routers are configured for that.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Basically, a standalone does not allow others to connect
>> >>> their region
>> >>> > > to your simulator, while a grid does. This has nothing to do
>> >>> with
>> >>> > > people visiting it.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > This is also not correct.
>> >>> > Most grids are operated by one single organization/person and don't
>> >>> > support the attachment of ad-hoc regions operated by others.
>> >>> OSGrid is
>> >>> > an exception in this respect.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The difference between a standalone and a grid is simply the
>> >>> number of
>> >>> > components (usually hardware) involved. A standalone has all
>> >>> services
>> >>> > running in one single process in one single machine; a grid has
>> >>> many
>> >>> > simulator processes, usually on different machines, and it
>> >>> typically
>> >>> > centralizes resource management in yet other machine(s).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So if you just want a small world with a few thousand objects
>> >>> in world
>> >>> > at any given time, stay with a standalone; if you plan to scale
>> >>> up, look
>> >>> > into the grid configuration.
>> >>> >
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