[Opensim-users] Diva Distro - Hitting Walls

Sat Nov 27 20:03:35 UTC 2010

One question pops into my mind - are all users connecting to same login URL?
I had similar problems, but it all worked ok when I put same login urls into
every viewer, regardless of the network (intra/internet)

Harri

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:45 PM, iSkye Silverweb
<iskye.silverweb at gmail.com>wrote:

> An additional note.  While our UK guy is able to see the website, when he
> opens the viewer and tries to get grid info in the grid manager, it does not
> return the information; however when I try it from outside his network, I am
> able to get the grid information in the viewer.  We all use the Imprudence
> viewer.  Not sure if this bit of information is helpful.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, iSkye Silverweb <
> iskye.silverweb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We're still not getting a breakthrough on getting the inside-network login
>> working while also having external computers able to get in.
>>
>> Our current setup is this:
>> We have a standalone Diva distro 0.7.0 on a Windows XP computer in the UK,
>> with two other computers inside that network; two external computers outside
>> the UK.
>>
>> On router (Sagem F at ST 2504 firmware version 2.8Sky):
>> Port 9000 for TCP/UDP and ports 9001-9003 for UDP
>>
>> Windows firewall disabled on both computers inside the network
>>
>> regions.ini file:
>> external IP is our-grid.dyndns-server.com  (note: when we change the
>> external IP to the actual internal IP, 192.168.0.9, for the machine running
>> our grid, our UK guy can log in from inside his network, but the 2 outside
>> computers can't log in)
>> internal IP is 0.0.0.0
>>
>> hosts file on the client the UK guy is trying to login from:
>> 192.168.0.9    our-grid.dyndns-server.com
>>
>> uPnP and DMZ are both off, disabled (we've tried both ways)
>>
>> All three of us can see the welcome page in the browser.  The UK (inside
>> network) guy, isn't able to log in through the webpage, nor can he get into
>> the grid.  We seem to be missing one small ingredient that will let our UK
>> guy login from inside his network.
>>
>> Suggestions, anyone?  Your help is much appreciated, thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, iSkye Silverweb <
>> iskye.silverweb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We're getting closer.  We guess!  Now, we've got the opposite issue.
>>> External computers can log in; the UK guy can't get in from inside his
>>> network.  We did as Diva suggested (9000 only for both TCP & UDP; 9001-9003
>>> for UDP only - previously all four ports were opened for both UDP & TCP) and
>>> that got us to this point, thank you Diva!
>>>
>>> We're told his router supports NAT loopback (Sagem FAST 2504 from Sky
>>> Broadband).  Not sure that's by default? So, we attempted this method,
>>> hoping that would get him able to log in through his viewer from inside the
>>> network:
>>>
>>> *This method was used and successfully tested using www.dyndns.com(creates a virtual domain for your pc/ip, like
>>> yourcomputer.ath.cx) as loopback for devices on a LAN with three
>>> machines (pentium 2.8ghz running windows xp - internet server , amd opteron
>>> running ubuntu 7.10 64bit - as opensim server - and MacBook with OSX 10.4.11
>>> - as client), a modem (thomson/alcatel speedtouch 330) and a mini-switch
>>> (which brand no one ever heard of). The connection of these machines is made
>>> as following: Modem -> Win Pc -> Switch -> Mac and Ubuntu. Dyndns is used to
>>> loopback to the Win Pc, and then it forwards the request to the internal LAN
>>> opensim server, which grants everything for the client. As for the client,
>>> if he is inside the private LAN then he is now actually someone on the
>>> internet requesting for access to the opensim server. Thus, if the client is
>>> someone on the internet then he will be treated like that. Tricky ? Further
>>> details ahead:
>>>
>>> Method:
>>>
>>>     * Set the simulator listening IP address to your dyndns domain - edit
>>> opensim/bin/Regions/default.xml; and change the external_host_name to
>>> external_host_name="yourcomputer.ath.cx". Leave internal_ip_address
>>> "0.0.0.0" and port "9000".
>>>     * Set the client (SecondLife Viewer) -loginuri to "
>>> yourcomputer.ath.cx:8002" (the port used was 8002, yours can be
>>> different if you configured it that way) - i didnt used the -loginserver
>>> flag also.
>>>     * Port Forward the above ports on the internet server (in this case,
>>> win xp). You do so by creating exceptions in Windows Firewall for the above
>>> mentioned ports, and for both connections: Internet Connection and LAN -
>>> this keeps the ports open for the web requests to travel over the private
>>> network.
>>>     * Edit "hosts" file (on windows, this is
>>> C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts and on Unix-type systems, this is
>>> /etc/hosts) entry on your internet server (in this case, win xp box) and add
>>> the following line: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx     yourcomputer.ath.cx. Of course,
>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is your opensim server internal LAN IP.
>>>
>>> yourcomputer.ath.cx is now available for everyone to connect and you may
>>> login with the client!*
>>>
>>> Now, while he was able to get in, the external computers were locked out
>>> again.  He reversed his changes; we're back to external computers being able
>>> to log in, but he can't.  Seems we have an either/or situation, but we want
>>> to have our cake and eat it too...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Diva Canto <diva at metaverseink.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  This sounds like you're hitting exactly that: a firewall. Make sure
>>>> there are holes in all the right ports: TCP 9000, and UDP 9000--9003.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/24/2010 11:13 AM, iSkye Silverweb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We're a group of 3 people; one in the UK, the other two in the US.  The
>>>> one in the UK is the one with the system on which we've been trying to get
>>>> our Diva distro up and running.
>>>>
>>>> We have really struggled with getting external access sorted. We haven't
>>>> tried hypergate yet - we want the 3 of us to be able to log into the grid
>>>> with our viewers first, since we will be building in there, and we want to
>>>> set our home to our grid.
>>>>
>>>> We've tried multiple times, multiple settings, and the closest we got
>>>> was to get the registration page on the Web set up and working, and the
>>>> login page on the viewer (Imprudence), and the login process started.  Our
>>>> UK guy was able to log in from within his network; the two of us in the US
>>>> are not able to log in from outside.  The logs showed that OpenSim saw us
>>>> logging in, everything looked great, until we got to the handshake stage; we
>>>> can't get past that despite trying numerous different settings in the
>>>> Regions.ini file and on the router.  Someone in some forum mentioned never
>>>> seeing LLUDPSERVER kicking in; we have never seen that either, so if we were
>>>> supposed to, that's where our problem seems to lie, but we tried different
>>>> fixes, but to no avail.  We're incredibly frustrated and demoralised.
>>>>
>>>> Last night, we decided to start over again on two different computers
>>>> (separate times), but now we can't even get the registration page up and the
>>>> viewer's grid manager's 'get grid info' can't find our grid address.  We
>>>> followed the instructions on this page:
>>>> https://github.com/diva/d2/wiki/Installation  and even tried it with
>>>> MySQL Workbench on one of the computers while using the command line on the
>>>> other one.  Both gave us the same result.  NOTE: We did not try to run
>>>> OpenSim on both computers simultaneously, and we made sure to port forward
>>>> correctly when attempting one or the other computer.
>>>>
>>>> We even invested in a new router from the ISP with a current firmware
>>>> version that supports NAT Loopback, etc.  We tried creating a DMZ, not
>>>> having one; we tried turning off uPnP and leaving it on; we tried a numeric
>>>> IP address for the external address and the FQDN; we tried 0.0.0.0 for
>>>> internal IP and using an internal address.  Two of us actually worked
>>>> through the day and all night yesterday/last night trying to get this
>>>> working multiple times.  We've seen others successfully getting their grids
>>>> up and externally accessible, so we know it's possible, but that apple seems
>>>> to be dangling just outside our reach.  It's galling for us because two of
>>>> us have backgrounds in systems, network, web and database programming
>>>> spanning more than a decade each.
>>>>
>>>> We REALLY could use some help from someone who has done it successfully
>>>> (all the way to successful external logins) and maybe wouldn't mind going
>>>> thru it with us a bit; a fresh pair of eyes and input from someone who has
>>>> succeeded might spot something we've missed or something we've been doing
>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone help, please?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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