[Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?

Thu Feb 25 16:24:48 UTC 2010

I am not "ticked off" - if I ever get there you WILL know it LOL!

What you say is quite correct for a single system (grid), but with multiple grids then the problems of not being truly unique comes into play.

I am in the process of moving an inventory of more than 30K items from SL to my private sim. so I see that problem fairly often. Well truthfully I have already moved everything that seems useful, but the problem remains.

At one point I wrote an SQL "macro" which scanned my database and "regularized" the UUIDs, permissions, etc. I found several duplicate UUIDs for different entities even in the database! 

I view that as the first step of the database maintenance tools I have posted about earlier.

Karen

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own  Backyard?
> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:42 AM
> Whoa.. easy girl..  didn't mean to
> tick ya off..  lol
> It was O Hundred in the morning for me and you
> know what the O stands for ?  OMG its early in the
> morning..   hahaha
> Actually I think i was trying to say that with
> the exception of Textures and Sounds have items that you
> would know as prims have some sort of UUID on it. When I use
> Second Inventory it attaches my UUID from my previous avatar
> to the file name. It does that so if you re-upload it to SL
> it knows who you are.
> 
> It wont stop a thief but more or less slow them
> down. The other thing is if you upload with one UUID then
> the database can remember that one UUID and it from that
> point on will allow only one UUID content to be uploaded.
>  If you upload another file with a different file, it then
> flags you..  If you upload another one it alerts people
> when you look at their profile..  I'm just throwing
> ideas out there guys..  someone might have some idea based
> off these little stupid ideas i'm making.. but its worth
> a shot.
> 
> The sad part to the thief is that they MUST have
> a UUID number in the file name or it will refuse to allow
> them to upload. Just a thought. ( Again this wont apply to
> some items like textures if you upload one texture at a
> time. However Bulk textures yes.. make them have a UUID. I
> mean seriously. This is why the UUID exists, why not use it.
> )
> 
> John
> 
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:34 AM,
> Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Take a look at your MySql database with one of the database
> tools.
> 
> 
> 
> That is actually how assets (including your Avatar) are
> presently stored!
> 
> 
> 
> The problem comes when you move the asset to another
> database and find that UUID is already used! A UUID is only
> truly unique if it is assigned by a master (WORLDWIDE!)
> assignment which keeps track of every UUID!
> 
> 
> 
> The commonly used methods for assigning a UUID are either
> system dependent or depend on duplicates being a very low
> probability.
> 
> 
> 
> Non-zero probability unfortunately.
> 
> 
> 
> Remember that if you try a billion times then billion to
> one odds have a 50% chance of happening!
> 
> 
> 
> IMHO that is the worst possible sort of problem to have! A
> problem which happens very rarely yet screws up your
> database in subtle ways when it does happen!
> 
> 
> 
> There is an effort under way to provide a central asset
> indexer, but I don't know enough about it to judge any
> potential security problems.
> 
> 
> 
> The obvious "spoof" would be to substitute the
> index entry for something I have created (i.e. full rights)
> for somehting I wanted to steal (i.e. zero rights). I can
> think of several ways to counter this, but none which are
> particularly robust let alone foolproof!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 2/24/10, John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > From: John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com>
> 
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking
> of Content Theft, How About Our Own  Backyard?
> 
> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> 
> > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 9:55 PM
> 
> > Ok.. I have an idea..
>  not sure how
> 
> > possible this is..  so this is a long shot....  I
> know in
> 
> > SL you can create a script that gets the persons UUID.
> That
> 
> > ID in turn can be used in conjunction with your items
> and in
> 
> > SL it is what safe guards your inventory to a small
> degree.
> 
> >  It also shows who the creator and owner is. Now
> these guys
> 
> > who upload the content, they get it and attempt to
> upload to
> 
> > OSG for example. Now what if on the website OSG had a
> way to
> 
> > create the user with the UUID from SL, IF they are
> using a
> 
> > name from SL. In turn the UUID would store that users
> UUID
> 
> > in the "new" database that would be the same
> one
> 
> > from SL. Now..  for the sake of argument, there would
> be a
> 
> > check mark you as a newbie can click to show your
> using a
> 
> > name from SL.  Now if that person who did not check
> mark
> 
> > that cannot upload content already made. ( accept
> textures
> 
> > and sounds which there is NO WAY to safeguard against.
> But
> 
> > all other content will have been made from a grid
> other then
> 
> > OSG can show this. If the content from OSG is made
> then
> 
> > another type of perms is set so that you must have a
> UUID
> 
> > attached on each file if you want to re-upload it.. 
> 
> >
> 
> > Maybe I am saying it wrong and I know i'm
> 
> > exhaustedly tired right now.  But can anyone get an
> idea of
> 
> > what i'm saying here ?
> 
> > John 
> 
> >
> 
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:45 PM,
> 
> > Master_Mirage <mirage123 at verizon.net>
> 
> > wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Sadly like so many schemes that only works until some
> crook
> 
> > fakes the "do
> 
> >
> 
> > not copy flag" or something similar.
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Even something which is a "closely held" as
> the
> 
> > IPod has similar problems. I
> 
> >
> 
> > did a search for Ipod apps on Pirate Bay the other
> day.
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > They are always a good check of what works and what
> 
> > doesn't!
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > I found more than 1000 items, including all kinds of
> MP3s,
> 
> > software, and
> 
> >
> 
> > "hacks"!
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Many many very competent people have worked on
> Digital
> 
> > Rights Management
> 
> >
> 
> > (DRM), but as far as I know there has never been any
> 
> > solution worth the
> 
> >
> 
> > trouble and hassle involved!
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > That doesn't stop the snake oil salesman from
> claiming
> 
> > to have "the
> 
> >
> 
> > ultimate" solution of course.We are seeing that
> on
> 
> > Second Life right now.
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Karen
> 
> >
> 
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> >
> 
> > I agree to a point. I tend to think in terms if asked
> 
> > "What have i done as a
> 
> >
> 
> > grid oper. to help stop the spread of stolen
> content?"
> 
> > I have nothing to
> 
> >
> 
> > show them sadly and thats scary as hell to me!
> 
> >
> 
> > If as a grid op i can at least show a good faith
> attemp at
> 
> > prevention and
> 
> >
> 
> > away to track it quickly to the user that broght it
> in. Id
> 
> > feel alot better
> 
> >
> 
> > and prob. the users would be alot happyer knowing it
> too.
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Something at this point is better than nothing i
> think.
> 
> >
> 
> > :-)
> 
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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