[Opensim-users] [Fwd: Re: Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?]

Wed Feb 24 02:32:57 UTC 2010

Len,

Hahaha. No thats not me.. but its been interesting ride.   There is one way
you can FAKE out identy in those kind of sites.. Let me give you an
example...  Pay close attention how you can do this which is why You can
Never trust who you are interacting with.

Now the account name you can set as Bill Gates.. And you can do this in SL
as well.. but then you go out and just in google images alone, AFTER SOME
HUNTING, you can come across some newbie who posted a picture of their
drivers liscense. Now i'll give SL as an example. IT DOES NOT matter what
your current address if you verify with a drivers liscense. So just use this
pic to make an account in SL and Verify. If you try it and it doersn't work,
it could mean someone has already done it IF the SL server is smart enough.
But I tested it. I have used my same drivers liscense more then once to
verify 10 accounts. 4 of which I sold to others which now have a Verified
account.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5427/fakeidjz8.jpg

Example picture of some poor smuck with his drivers liscense exposed so that
the whole world can verify the account. It has EVERYTHING you need on that
picture. Birth Date and address as well as the STATE.

My point is this, NEVER assume that a company like SL or Twitter is smart
enough to catch this, because you could be talking to your neighbors 15 year
old who is playing games with you.

John

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Len Brown <lenwbrown at gmail.com> wrote:

> John,
>
>      You wouldn't happen to be Jonash Vanalten would you?  Nope, he (she)
> has been in SL for three years, two months.  I paid him (her) to write a
> whole bunch of custom scripts for me back as I was getting my business
> started in SL.  They were fantastic though none of them work in OpenSim
> since they were all based on the payment system.
>
>      Anyway John, I feel your pain. I stated earlier that I will be
> releasing all of my furniture and buildings before much longer.  I'm still
> just licking my wounds and also making sure all of them got properly copied
> into OpenSim.  Plus I'm rebuilding scripts and such for those that needed
> them.
>
>      If I can no longer profit from them, at least I can offer them freely
> to everyone to use to their heart's content.  I may ultimately no longer
> receive any credit or recognition for them, but I will at least appreciate
> that my work will be shared, enjoyed and improved by others.  Kinda reminds
> me of most programming, no?
>
> "If you love your code, set it free."
>
> - Len
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, John Mieske <johnmieske at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> March 1st will be my 5th year as a player from SL This will be last day in
>> SL as well. And three years ago, I started to just give stuff away. I
>> realized there is no way to secure your items you try to sell in SL or in
>> anything online social network now days. Not enough money in it and
>> pirateers will always.. and I do mean ALWAYS find a way if they want it bad
>> enough. The way I personally look at it, if you don't mind your stuff
>> getting stolen then put it out there, otherwise your just wasting time
>> trying to secure it.
>>
>> Really after a while in the end the only services I sold was to make
>> scripts for people and even teach it. And even that was not worth it after a
>> while.
>>
>> John
>>
>>  On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Justin,
>>>
>>> Thank you for that reference on several levels.
>>>
>>> I see Prokofy has not changed much and I for one am in the crowd that
>>> thinks OpenSim is worth the effort just to avoid his rantings LOL
>>>
>>> By background I am a Software Engineer and also a Patent Agent so I have
>>> some knowledge of these issues and the underlying dynamics of the law and
>>> society! As you can see these issues passionately interest me!
>>>
>>> The discussion does outline many of the very real issues facing every IP
>>> creator today and it is certainly a huge problem.
>>>
>>> I doubt if Second Life or OpenSim will be the forum to provide solutions
>>> to the problems raised though.
>>>
>>> Sadly many of the issues go far beyond MetaWorlds and there are quite a
>>> few nuances that are not yet important but eventually will be.
>>>
>>> As many of the more thoughtful commenters have observed, there are no
>>> simple solutions. Some "bounds" to the problem do appear to present
>>> themselves.
>>>
>>> One of these "bounds" is that creators of content clearly deserve some
>>> "reasonable" compensation (at some level) for their efforts.
>>>
>>> "Reasonable" being one of those words  which lawyers spend their entire
>>> careers debating!
>>>
>>> In the current context though I think it is important to establish some
>>> sort of test which would establish the actual creator.
>>>
>>> At the moment all we have is the unsupported word of the supposed
>>> "creator" and some very suspicious looking images.
>>>
>>> The other thing that is lacking is some sort of standard to evaluate the
>>> evidence and someone to perform that function.
>>>
>>> Mob rule and vigilante justice will only make the problem worse.
>>>
>>> Anyway thanks for the thoughtful reference, it is good to know that
>>> others are thinking seriously about solutions rather than reacting in a
>>> blind panic!
>>>
>>> Karen
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Justin Clark-Casey <jjustincc at googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > From: Justin Clark-Casey <jjustincc at googlemail.com>
>>> > Subject: [Opensim-users] [Fwd: Re:  Speaking of Content Theft, How
>>> About Our Own Backyard?]
>>> > To: "OpenSim Users Mailing List" <opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
>>> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:21 PM
>>> > Oops, sorry - I meant the first
>>> > comment on the second page.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2010/01/why-i-never-go-over-to-opensim/comments/page/2/#comments
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking of Content
>>> > Theft,    How About Our Own Backyard?
>>> > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:20:11 +0000
>>> > From: Justin Clark-Casey <jjustincc at googlemail.com>
>>> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>> > References: <
>>> 81dc9e651002231409r5dc445b5lbf5bedadc212441b at mail.gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > Len Brown wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >      I wonder if Lilith Heart, who has
>>> > made her fortune selling an
>>> > > endless variety of absolutely beautiful plants in
>>> > Second Life knows that
>>> > > her years of devoted and hard work have been cleanly
>>> > ripped and
>>> > > presented all over OSGrid?  And in what probably
>>> > amounted to a couple
>>> > > hours of image ripping and XML exporting...
>>> >
>>> > In this case, it appears that Lilith imported the content
>>> > herself.  See the first comment at
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2010/01/why-i-never-go-over-to-opensim.html
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >      Sadly, there's not a single thing
>>> > she can do.  Which is why, though
>>> > > I happily imported my entire furniture and building
>>> > collection into
>>> > > OpenSim, not a single piece of it is (yet) available
>>> > to the general
>>> > > public on OSGrid.  I eventually plan to make it
>>> > all available, but the
>>> > > simple fact is, when I do, it will immediately be
>>> > ripped to shreds and
>>> > > will be found spread out all over the grid.  Not
>>> > such a bad thing to one
>>> > > degree since the furniture is all very highly
>>> > detailed, but it will
>>> > > surely put a very resoundingly obvious period at the
>>> > end of my virtual
>>> > > business endeavors.  In other words, I don't see
>>> > a penny from it.
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > - Len W. Brown
>>> > >   lenwbrown at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:lenwbrown at gmail.com>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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