[Opensim-users] Opensim-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 75

Tue Feb 23 22:18:59 UTC 2010

question about MySQL and also one of physics for a Linux server

Hello all,

I have recently set up a Linux Ubuntu server (latest dev) and have set it up as a LAMP server. 
I followed the opensim.org information for setting up the MySQL database and gone into my OpenSim.ini file and change all mentions database to reference MySQL, including in this my database name and my root and password. However I have no persistence for items worn by my avatar and he reverts to Ruth upon log in. Object in world still remain. My Question is, does Mysql need to be "turned on" or should it not be running in the back ground? Or does anyone have advice to any oversights I may have had?

I am very new to setting up a server this being my first. I set this up with the intent of running Opensim. 

Second, concerning physics. I have ODE active and notice that when my avatar is standing on ground they are gradually pushed (bumped is more like it...bump,bump,bump) towards the North East corner of the sim and I will eventually wind up in the corner. When running a standalone on a desktop version I have not had this experience. Any advice please?

Thank you all for your time

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Today's Topics:

   1. IAR Files (Tara Desoto)
   2. Re: IAR Files (Karen Palen)
   3. Re: Question about IAR files (Karen Palen)
   4. Re: Question about IAR files (Mike Dickson)
   5. Re: Question about IAR files (marcel verhagen)
   6. SL Viewer policy (was Re: Question about IAR files) (Mike Dickson)
   7. Re: Question about IAR files (GMail-johnpat10)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:31:21 -0700
From: Tara Desoto <taradesoto at gmail.com>
Subject: [Opensim-users] IAR Files
To: opensim-users <opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
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Hello

  I just want to send out a word of caution to the users or potential users
of the dodgy types of viewers that you have mentioned .  There is currently
an SQL database being assembled with the names of users who are using these
clients and apparently many of them have been banned .   Here is a link to
the name list , just to show that its out there .

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:2tOCP9mcwU4J:pastebin.com/pastebin.php%3Fdl%3Dd4ac68943+insilico+copybot&cd=8&hl+en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
]

  Please use caution with these viewers at the moment ,  unless you don't
mind your name being gathered in a database .  Also please note that using a
secondary avie  instead of your main avie  doesn't neccessarily protect your
main avatar or any other avie that is being used by your IP .   General  IP
bans are known to happen and you are lucky if your secondary avie is the
only one that has been taken .   At the present time , it is probably best
to steer away from these viewers unless you really know what you are doing
and know or speak to the developer of the viewer .

Kind Regards
Tara
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:12:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] IAR Files
To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
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Like so many "instant" solutions this one is pure snake oil!

It seems that many Emerald and Mac LL viewer users are being banned as well.

As near as I can find out this is actually a "turf war" between two content thieves!

Be very careful what you believe from all of this fuss.

Karen

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Tara Desoto <taradesoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tara Desoto <taradesoto at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Opensim-users] IAR Files
> To: "opensim-users" <opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:31 AM
> Hello
> 
> ? I just want to send out a word of caution to the users
> or potential users of the dodgy types of viewers that you
> have mentioned .? There is currently an SQL database being
> assembled with the names of users who are using these
> clients and apparently many of them have been banned .??
> Here is a link to the name list , just to show that its out
> there . 
> 
> 
> http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:2tOCP9mcwU4J:pastebin.com/pastebin.php%3Fdl%3Dd4ac68943+insilico+copybot&cd=8&hl+en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a]
> 
> 
> 
> ? Please use caution with these viewers at the moment ,?
> unless you don't mind your name being gathered in a
> database .? Also please note that using a secondary avie?
> instead of your main avie? doesn't neccessarily protect
> your main avatar or any other avie that is being used by
> your IP .?? General? IP bans are known to happen and you
> are lucky if your secondary avie is the only one that has
> been taken .?? At the present time , it is probably best
> to steer away from these viewers unless you really know what
> you are doing and know or speak to the developer of the
> viewer .
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> Tara 
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:14:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Question about IAR files
To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
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Linden Labs has said that they will NOT ban any specific viewer, only people who misuse them!

Big surprise, selling stolen content can and will result in a ban!

Karen

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, dz <dz at bitzend.net> wrote:

> From: dz <dz at bitzend.net>
> Subject: [Opensim-users] Question about IAR files
> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 9:44 AM
> Karen,
> 
> Recommending anyone use Neillife is fairly irresponsible
> unless you mention that it can result in a permanent BAN
> from the Lindens, as well as a deletion of your avatar and
> ALL of the in-world items it owns.? I would love to be able
> to point you to a definitive list of "approved"
> alternative viewers, but I haven't found one.? I do
> know people who have lost VERY LARGE investments in SL?
> ONLY because they logged in using NeilLife. 
> 
> 
> DO NOT log in to Second Life with that viewer!? 
> 
> D
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> From:?Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
> To:?opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Date:?Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:51:36 -0800 (PST)
> 
> Subject:?Re: [Opensim-users] Question about IAR files
> You are correct that Second Inventory attempts to suck/blow
> (love the analogy!) through the user interface, as well as
> Meerkat and Emerald viewer.
> 
> 
> 
> There are at least a couple of "backup" tools
> that do attempt to save contents this way - NielLife viewer
> being the most popular right now, even if it is often used
> as an SL to SL piracy tool.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:50:17 -0600
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson at hp.com>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Question about IAR files
To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
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On 02/23/2010 12:14 PM, Karen Palen wrote:
> Linden Labs has said that they will NOT ban any specific viewer, only people who misuse them!
>
> Big surprise, selling stolen content can and will result in a ban!
>
> Karen
>
>    
A viewer certification program was announced at SLPro today. I expect 
there will be more info in the Blog shortly.

Mike

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:13:09 +0100
From: marcel verhagen <marceled9 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Question about IAR files
To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
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I am happy with the save tools of opensim. It enables me to build cool
things with a real time pressure.
Cause it is easy to back up all created on the sims and in my inventory on
the serverside.

Somehow I do not feel the need to copy over tons of things from sl and back.

However I find the idea that someone who logs in with a pirate viewer and
also can copy all the things on my sims from the viewer side a bit
disturbing.

Makes me wonder can I block those viewers from my own opensims ?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:13:34 -0600
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson at hp.com>
Subject: [Opensim-users] SL Viewer policy (was Re: Question about IAR
    files)
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https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2010/02/23/introducing-a-new-third-party-viewer-directory-and-policy

More info on the viewer directory. Note also that Viewer 2/Snowglobe 2 
was released today as beta.

Mike

On 02/23/2010 01:50 PM, Dickson, Mike (ISS Software) wrote:
> On 02/23/2010 12:14 PM, Karen Palen wrote:
>    
>> Linden Labs has said that they will NOT ban any specific viewer, only people who misuse them!
>>
>> Big surprise, selling stolen content can and will result in a ban!
>>
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>      
> A viewer certification program was announced at SLPro today. I expect
> there will be more info in the Blog shortly.
>
> Mike
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:15:23 -0800
From: GMail-johnpat10 <johnpat10 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Question about IAR files
To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
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Coming full circle from my original question...issue is obviously a  
common concern. Too bad SL Version 2 does not have a way to save out  
inventory like OpenSim's IAR.  Seems like it would have been a great  
opportunity add that capability for things you create in SL Viewer Ver  
2...

Just to follow up on IAR, it worked fine for me in my tests, granted  
the VirtualBox servers were identical but on different computers. I  
liked the fact that you have to be organized with the stuff your  
create and place them is specfic folders, etc good skill for  
students ;-)

Most of what I see my teachers and students using OpenSim would be in  
"walled garden" type of situations. So the ability to deploy a  
specific sim with prebuilt content, and then ability to IAR content  
they create and inventory in portfolio, etc. seems to fit my purpose.

Do have a couple questions about IAR though:

1. When I was running Save and Load IAR I'm working directly on the  
server and the command line on the server. It also saved the IAR files  
directly to the bin folder (Diva install) and requires that they be in  
the bin folder when I load them back into a different sim.  This is  
not a problem when the server and the client are on the same hardware  
(my desktop), but when OpenSim is deployed on it's own hardware, am i  
going to have to log in remotely to the server to run iar? Is it  
possible to ssh to OpenSim server and run the management console to  
save and load IAR files? How would you do that if the server is  
already running, you wouldn't want to start another terminal window  
and run opensim.exe again, would you?

2. When running the save iar command, is it possible to set the saved  
file path to another computer? If so what would that look like?
<save iar user name ///user/myuseraccount/Documents/OpenSim_Archives  
mySecretPassword theSavedArchive >??? Same thing for using the "load  
iar" command from a client computer?

Would it be possible for the "save iar" command to save to an ftp  
directory, like: <save iar user name ftp:// 
imstudent:mypassword at Archive_Student_Created_Content/Server/ 
OpenSim_Archives_Portfolio/ mySecretPassword theSavedArchive > ???

3. Is there a gui interface to run the OpenSim mangement console from  
a desktop to generate, save and load IAR files?

Ideally, I would like the ability to save and load AIR files from a  
client computer rather than the server. Or even if there was an little  
GUI app that students could use to save what the create to a digital  
portfoio, kind of like the ftp example in question number 2.

Thanks in advance for any help!  :-)

John Patten
Tech Dept
SUSD

On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:13 PM, marcel verhagen wrote:

> I am happy with the save tools of opensim. It enables me to build  
> cool things with a real time pressure.
> Cause it is easy to back up all created on the sims and in my  
> inventory on the serverside.
>
> Somehow I do not feel the need to copy over tons of things from sl  
> and back.
>
> However I find the idea that someone who logs in with a pirate  
> viewer and also can copy all the things on my sims from the viewer  
> side a bit disturbing.
>
> Makes me wonder can I block those viewers from my own opensims ?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Opensim-users mailing list
> Opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users

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