[Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
diva at metaverseink.com
diva at metaverseink.com
Sun Nov 22 00:12:43 UTC 2009
Yep, that's my use case too. More and more, the apps I'm involved with
include people building things in separate development sims, possibly
over copies of a base model, and then having a deployment sim where
things are merged periodically.
Bob Wellman wrote:
> I agree with Diva it would be good if on Save_oar we could specify
> owner-id and then the saved file would only contain prims owned by that
> user. However it needs to be part of a bigger change I think in trems of
> loading oar being less all or nothing too.
>
> One of the problems with LOAD_OAR at present is the way it replaces
> everything in a sim. It would be good if there were an option to replace
> or add to whats in a sim already with whats on the file being loaded.
> Maybe the replace/add options could be filtered to replace only parts of
> the build (eg. replace Nicks prims with the new oar of Nicks prims
> leaving Toms prims where they are).
>
> The use case I am thinking of is where a sim (a city) is built by the
> sim owner (Nick) in a standalone grid and loaded via OAR files to a
> public grid. Then in that public grid other people (Tom) adds
> furnishings to the sim in the public grid. In the meantime the sim owner
> (Tom) makes a mark 2 version of the sim in his standalone which he wants
> to use to upgrade the one in the public grid. If he does load-oar he
> loses all the work done by others (Tom) in the public grid version. What
> he wants to do is merge his work with others. So we need someway to save
> each contribution and merge them.
>
> I leave it to others wiser than me to devise a syntax for this.
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:51:55 -0800
> > From: diva at metaverseink.com
> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> >
> > There are several kinds of filters one could add to the general
> > archiving facility. Parcels... why not. Another one -- more important to
> > me -- is owner id.
> >
> > Stefan Andersson wrote:
> > > There is of course always the option to implement a region module
> that can
> > > implement some fairly more detailed use case, maybe connecting to
> stuff like
> > > scheduled jobs et c.
> > >
> > > /Stefan
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-users-
> > >> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Robert Klein
> > >> Sent: den 21 november 2009 15:24
> > >> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I see your points and was only suggesting we have some refined way of
> > >> backing
> > >> up regions instead of either all or nothing. Even a basic program for
> > >> backing up data on a computer allows you to backup either the whole
> > >> disk,
> > >> individual directories, and individual files (tar vs dd for example).
> > >> We
> > >> have methods for backing up the whole drive and individual files but
> > >> not
> > >> directories. It just seems unbalanced.
> > >>
> > >> I have seen some pretty intense builds in SL and OS on relatively
> small
> > >> parcels that would be a huge issue to recreate. The IAR files are
> great
> > >> but
> > >> are not a reasonable method for backing up and restoring a 64 x 128
> > >> parcel
> > >> with several buildings full of content including a museum and
> > >> stage/events
> > >> area or a nightclub. Experience tells me we are going to need this if
> > >> we
> > >> continue to support the concept of having parcels.
> > >>
> > >> -Robert
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Stefan Andersson-3 wrote:
> > >>> One way to go about it could be to make sure the oar is subdivided
> > >> into
> > >>> parcels when storing it; if so, one would probably backup the whole
> > >> oar,
> > >>> but
> > >>> be able to restore only parts of the oar.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have only used oars for full backup, so I don't know if the parcel
> > >> info
> > >>> is
> > >>> already stored in it?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> /Stefan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> > >>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Len
> > >> Brown
> > >>> Sent: den 21 november 2009 09:20
> > >>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I am tempted to say that individual parcel backups is not a good
> > >> idea. If
> > >>> one is building on a parcel, as opposed to a full region, then simply
> > >>> maintaining copies of their items in their inventory should be
> > >> adequate.
> > >>> Parcels come in so many sizes and making a backup would require the
> > >> new
> > >>> parcel for a restore would have to be identical in dimensions. So
> > >> this
> > >>> can
> > >>> be very complex if you have a parcel that, for example, lies along a
> > >> road
> > >>> so
> > >>> the side of your parcel is angular. Or if you have an odd-shaped
> > >> parcel
> > >>> or
> > >>> a combination of parcels that are separated by other parcels you do
> > >> not
> > >>> own.
> > >>>
> > >>> Backing up a region is simple enough given the standard dimensions,
> > >> even
> > >>> when dealing with megaregions, which are really just a combination of
> > >>> multiple "regular" regions of standard size.
> > >>>
> > >>> So I feel that backing up personal parcels should remain the process
> > >> of
> > >>> maintaining items in your personal inventory and making a backup of
> > >> THAT
> > >>> rather than the parcel area itself.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Len W. Brown
> > >>> lenwbrown at gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen <karen_palen at yahoo.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Just a thought, but with the economics of OpenSim being totally
> > >> different
> > >>> from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up with hundreds of tiny
> > >> parcels
> > >>> in each region?
> > >>>
> > >>> It seems to me that there are several issues here concerning changes
> > >> in
> > >>> parcel size/location between backup and restore as well as some
> > >>> ownership/covenant/zoning issues.
> > >>>
> > >>> As I think about the problem I am not sure I (or anyone else) can
> > >> fully
> > >>> articulate even the nature of those issues since they depend heavily
> > >> on
> > >>> the
> > >>> direction that OpenSim development and implementation takes.
> > >>>
> > >>> Just the same we do need to consider them as best we can lest we fall
> > >> into
> > >>> some of the same traps as Second Life (content ownership, banking
> > >> debacle,
> > >>> and gambling come to mind).
> > >>>
> > >>> Karen
> > >>>
> > >>> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> From: Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> > >>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > >>>> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hey Justin,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes that is correct, just archive a single parcel on a
> > >>>> region. Whatever is
> > >>>> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file. Can it be done?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Robert
> > >>>>
> > >>>> justincc wrote:
> > >>>>> Robert Klein wrote:
> > >>>>>> We have a OAR for regions and a IAR for inventory
> > >>>> but what about a PAR
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>> doing parcel area archiving? It would be an easy
> > >>>> way to dedicate one
> > >>>>>> subdivided parcel area for bringing things in and
> > >>>> out of OpenSims that
> > >>>>>> either use the mega region or just have a single
> > >>>> region that is
> > >>>>>> subdivided.
> > >>>>>> Also the beauty of this would be in the future if
> > >>>> you have renters or
> > >>>>>> event
> > >>>>>> spaces you can keep backups of just those spaces.
> > >>>>> I'm not too sure if I get exactly what you mean.
> > >>>> Are you talking about
> > >>>>> archiving just the contents of a single parcel on a
> > >>>> region?
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> justincc
> > >>>>> Justin Clark-Casey
> > >>>>> http://justincc.org
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