[Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
diva at metaverseink.com
diva at metaverseink.com
Mon Nov 9 23:04:17 UTC 2009
Nothing in the diva distro requires a 512x512 megaregion -- that's
simply my own preference, people can change it. I have no idea of the
setup you had for your previous standalone, so I'm not sure you can do
what you want to do.
But here's what you can try. (Disclaimer: I haven't tried this myself,
because I'm not in your situation. But it should work. I think.)
In your diva distro sim:
1) replace Regions/RegionConfig.ini with the ini/xml of your previous
region. And I mean *replace* it, not just add the old ini/xml in there
too. I suggest you leave the ini file with the name RegionConfig.ini, so
that it gets migrated upon upgrades. Make sure to preserve the UUID of
your old region, that's very important.
2) edit config-include/MyWorld.ini and change the DB credentials to be
those of the existing DB. Make sure to change those credentials
everywhere in MyWorld.ini where DB credentials are present.
I think you were stuck because the login was successful, but there was
no old region in the system.
Kevin Buckley wrote:
> One last (...) question. I have a heavily 'assetted' standalone which I
> want to configure for hyperlink. However, it is a 256x256 configuration. I
> optimistically tried using the diva /bin release with my existing
> regions.ini and a snapshot of my MySQL data (and making the appropriate
> changes in the other ini's) - It sort of worked, I could see my last
> location, but my AV ended-up stuck just on the wrong side of the sim edge
> and then crashed. I am guessing this is because your release is
> pre-configured for 512x512 and my region topology is not compliant with your
> guidelines?
>
> I assume there isn't a simple way to use your release as 256x256? I'm
> currently working on 0.6.7-post-release-fixes but desperate to find a
> solution to the 'grey avatar/white hair/white eyes' problem which I noticed
> I didn't get when I played with your release earlier today. - Thanks, Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Buckley [mailto:kevin at buckley70.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 09 November 2009 17:30
> To: 'diva at metaverseink.com'; 'opensim-users at lists.berlios.de'
> Subject: RE: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>
> "... pull up the map and search for sims in the search box there, for
> example mydomain.com:9020" - Excellent piece of advice! It IS there -
> however, it is not at 5773, 401. It's somewhere so far to the East I can't
> begin to estimate its position. I CAN TP to it though. Thanks for all your
> help so far - Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of
> diva at metaverseink.com
> Sent: 09 November 2009 15:31
> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>
>
> Sorry, too early in the morning -- you're not making them neighbors, good.
>
> It should work. There are some issues with the map images of hyperlinked
> regions, they stopped working some time ago, but you should see a white
> tile.
>
> Another way of linking regions on-the-fly is to pull up the map and
> search for sims in the search box there, for example mydomain.com:9020
>
> diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>> You cannot make neighbors out of hyperlinked regions -- because popular
>> HG regions could end up with hundreds of neighbors and corresponding
>> child agents...
>>
>> If you want your sims as neighbours, make them share the same DB.
>>
>> Kevin Buckley wrote:
>>> So I now have my regions closer together: <5773-5774, 398-399> on ports
>>> 9010-9013, and <6281-6282, 390-391> on ports 9020-9023 and, if I log-in
> to
>>> one of them, I can 'link-region' to the other:
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>> Region (root) # link-region 5773 401 myurl.com:9020
>>> 09:27:35 - >> MapName: myurl.com:9020
>>>
>>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: Link to myurl.com:9020, in 1477888-102656
>>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: Linking remote region myurl.com:9020
>>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: Linking to http://91.237.142.232:9020/
>>> 09:27:35 - >> HERE, uuid: a8686b5e-a016-468e-8af4-dffd5b204929
>>>
>>> 09:27:35 - >> HERE, realHandle: 6906032534160896
>>>
>>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: Successfully linked to region_uuid
>>> a8686b5e-a016-468e-8af4-dffd5b204929
>>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: link region succeeded
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> However, when I log-in (to the first grid on port 9010) I can't see the
>>> hyperlinked region at <5773, 401>. That square just shows as 'offline'
> on
>>> the big map.
>>>
>>> I can't see anything different if I log-in to the other grid on port 9020
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something conceptually here (lol)? Or have I missed out a
> step
>>> along the way?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Kevin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kevin Buckley [mailto:kevin at buckley70.freeserve.co.uk]
>>> Sent: 09 November 2009 02:31
>>> To: 'diva at metaverseink.com'; 'opensim-users at lists.berlios.de'
>>> Subject: RE: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>>
>>> Thanks - I worked that out and now have 2 instances running on my server
> on
>>> ports 901x and 902x and using 2 separate MySQL schemas.
>>>
>>> I have created some (different) users in each instance and I can log into
>>> each instance separately, no problem.
>>>
>>> However, when I try to 'link-regions' I get a 'region is too far' error.
>>>
>>> The regions (just what was in the diva release) are at 5773,398 and
>>> 6282,7391.
>>>
>>> I seem to remember reading a while back that linked regions needed to be
>>> within a certain distance from each other (this was/is a bug) - is this
> the
>>> problem I am seeing?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Kevin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of
>>> diva at metaverseink.com
>>> Sent: 09 November 2009 01:26
>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>>
>>>
>>> [Warning: this is advanced material for the diva distro.]
>>>
>>> If you're running several instances on the same machine you need to give
>>> each one different ports. That includes the HTTP port (set in
>>> MyWorld.ini) and the regions' UDP ports (set in RegionConfig.ini).
>>>
>>> You then have the option of sharing one DB schema among all instances or
>>> having a separate DB schema for each instance -- again, that is set in
>>> MyWorld.ini of each instance.
>>>
>>> If you separate the DBs, you will have straightfoward hypergrided sims
>>> -- for going back & forth between them you have to hyperlink them, etc.
>>> just as you hyperlink with any other HG region out there.
>>>
>>> If you share one DB you end up with a hybrid architecture that may be
>>> very convenient -- a serverless grid. In a serverless grid, all
>>> instances share the same DB directly. So, for example, all instances
>>> will be on the same map, etc.
>>> Here's a post I wrote about it a month ago:
>>> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/?p=22
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin Buckley wrote:
>>>> So - if I want to test this by running separate, hyperlinked, standalone
>
>>>> grids on a single server:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> O I guess I need to give each instance its own Port base: 900x, 901x,
>>>> 902x etc.?
>>>>
>>>> O I guess each instance needs a separate MySQL schema: opensim1,
>>>> opensim2, opensim3 etc.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Kevin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>>>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of
>>>> diva at metaverseink.com
>>>> Sent: 08 November 2009 23:28
>>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Configure.exe simply produces the configuration files:
>>>>
>>>> config-include/MyWorld.ini
>>>>
>>>> Regions/RegionConfig.ini
>>>>
>>>> You can edit those file afterwards and change whatever you want there.
>>>>
>>>> From what you say below, you seem to have enough experience with
>>>>
>>>> OpenSim to fiddle with those files manually. (In general I don't
>>>>
>>>> recommend it, but if you know what you're doing that's fine)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Buckley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Karen
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I had a quick look at the diva hypergrid distribution. I'm
> interested
>>>> > because ultimately I think hypergrid is the way to go and also, right
>
>>>> now,
>>>>
>>>> > I'm fed up with the grey avatar/white eyes syndrome and maybe doing
>>>>
>>>> > something different might fix it (hahaha).
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I have a question though: what does 'configure.exe' actually do?
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I'm already running a standalone with multi-regions, using MySQL,
> which
>>> a
>>>> > few of us are using and doing some building and asset generation.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I can't use Port-9000 because it's used for something else on my
>>>> server. So
>>>>
>>>> > I use Ports 91xx for a 'Production Grid' and, if I want to test
>>>> something, I
>>>>
>>>> > snapshot the /bin directory and the MySQL schema and run an identical
>>>>
>>>> > version on Ports 92xx. If that works, then I migrate the changes to
>>> the
>>>> > Production Grid. And I do an automated back-up of EVERYTHING! Every
>>> day,
>>>> > lol.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I don't want to try playing with the diva release and find
>>>> 'configure.com'
>>>>
>>>> > trashes my existing setup or MySQL database.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks, Kevin
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> > From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>>>>
>>>> > [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Karen
>>> Palen
>>>> > Sent: 27 October 2009 14:12
>>>>
>>>> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>>>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Probably the best way to answer your questions is to install the diva
>>>>
>>>> > distibution and try out the hypergrid option!
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >>From the wiki:
>>>>
>>>> > Diva Distribution
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > * Preconfigured hypergrided standalone. Easy to setup and to keep
>
>>>> up to
>>>>
>>>> > date. Windows and Linux/Unix. Download the file diva-rNNNN.zip, unzip
>>> it,
>>>> > read README.txt and take it from there.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > http://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/downloads
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I found it very easy to install with complete and explicit
>>>> instructions in
>>>>
>>>> > README files. The READMEs direct you to the wiki and other places
> where
>>>> > fairly complete instructions for using the hypergird can be found.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > WARNING: Opensim is "alpha" software, Hypergid is "pre-alpha" and all
>
>>>> kinds
>>>>
>>>> > of thing work or don't work for no apparent reason. In particular
>>>> hypergrid
>>>>
>>>> > availability depends on who has their grid turn on when you try to
>>>> connect -
>>>>
>>>> > this varies hourly!
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > For all of that hypergrid is a lot of fun to experiment with, and the
>
>>>> diva
>>>>
>>>> > distribution is stable enough to do development and content creation
>>>>
>>>> > provided you keep good backups!
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I do a backupPC backup every night PLUS a complete dump of my MySQL
>>>> database
>>>>
>>>> > every night! I was bitten once with database corruption and do NOT
>>>> intend to
>>>>
>>>> > lose my work again!
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Good Luck and have fun!
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Karen
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Ken Grunke <kenearlg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >> From: Ken Grunke <kenearlg at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> >> Subject: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>>>
>>>> >> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>>>
>>>> >> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 12:15 AM
>>>>
>>>> >> Is the link-region command from the
>>>>
>>>> >> console in a standalone necessary to
>>>>
>>>> >> hypergrid from the SA to, say, a region in OSGrid for
>>>>
>>>> >> example?
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>> >> And is the link-region command needed the other way? From
>>>>
>>>> >> the grid
>>>>
>>>> >> region to the standalone, that is, to be able to hypergrid
>>>>
>>>> >> back to the SA?
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>> >> Ken Grunke aka Key Gruin
>>>>
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