[Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid

diva at metaverseink.com diva at metaverseink.com
Mon Nov 9 15:30:51 UTC 2009 

Sorry, too early in the morning -- you're not making them neighbors, good.

It should work. There are some issues with the map images of hyperlinked 
regions, they stopped working some time ago, but you should see a white 
tile.

Another way of linking regions on-the-fly is to pull up the map and 
search for sims in the search box there, for example mydomain.com:9020

diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
> You cannot make neighbors out of hyperlinked regions -- because popular 
> HG regions could end up with hundreds of neighbors and corresponding 
> child agents...
> 
> If you want your sims as neighbours, make them share the same DB.
> 
> Kevin Buckley wrote:
>> So I now have my regions closer together: <5773-5774, 398-399> on ports
>> 9010-9013, and <6281-6282, 390-391> on ports 9020-9023 and, if I log-in to
>> one of them, I can 'link-region' to the other:
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Region (root) # link-region 5773 401 myurl.com:9020
>> 09:27:35 - >> MapName: myurl.com:9020
>>
>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: Link to myurl.com:9020, in 1477888-102656
>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: Linking remote region myurl.com:9020
>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: Linking to http://91.237.142.232:9020/
>> 09:27:35 - >> HERE, uuid: a8686b5e-a016-468e-8af4-dffd5b204929
>>
>> 09:27:35 - >> HERE, realHandle: 6906032534160896
>>
>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: Successfully linked to region_uuid
>> a8686b5e-a016-468e-8af4-dffd5b204929
>> 09:27:35 - [HGrid]: link region succeeded
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> However, when I log-in (to the first grid on port 9010) I can't see the
>> hyperlinked region at <5773, 401>.  That square just shows as 'offline' on
>> the big map.
>>
>> I can't see anything different if I log-in to the other grid on port 9020
>> either.
>>
>> Am I missing something conceptually here (lol)?  Or have I missed out a step
>> along the way?
>>
>> Thanks, Kevin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Buckley [mailto:kevin at buckley70.freeserve.co.uk] 
>> Sent: 09 November 2009 02:31
>> To: 'diva at metaverseink.com'; 'opensim-users at lists.berlios.de'
>> Subject: RE: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>
>> Thanks - I worked that out and now have 2 instances running on my server on
>> ports 901x and 902x and using 2 separate MySQL schemas.
>>
>> I have created some (different) users in each instance and I can log into
>> each instance separately, no problem.
>>
>> However, when I try to 'link-regions' I get a 'region is too far' error.
>>
>> The regions (just what was in the diva release) are at 5773,398 and
>> 6282,7391.
>>
>> I seem to remember reading a while back that linked regions needed to be
>> within a certain distance from each other (this was/is a bug) - is this the
>> problem I am seeing?
>>
>> Cheers, Kevin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of
>> diva at metaverseink.com
>> Sent: 09 November 2009 01:26
>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>
>>
>> [Warning: this is advanced material for the diva distro.]
>>
>> If you're running several instances on the same machine you need to give 
>> each one different ports. That includes the HTTP port (set in 
>> MyWorld.ini) and the regions' UDP ports (set in RegionConfig.ini).
>>
>> You then have the option of sharing one DB schema among all instances or 
>> having a separate DB schema for each instance -- again, that is set in 
>> MyWorld.ini of each instance.
>>
>> If you separate the DBs, you will have straightfoward hypergrided sims 
>> -- for going back & forth between them you have to hyperlink them, etc. 
>> just as you hyperlink with any other HG region out there.
>>
>> If you share one DB you end up with a hybrid architecture that may be 
>> very convenient -- a serverless grid. In a serverless grid, all 
>> instances share the same DB directly. So, for example, all instances 
>> will be on the same map, etc.
>> Here's a post I wrote about it a month ago: 
>> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/?p=22
>>
>>
>> Kevin Buckley wrote:
>>> So - if I want to test this by running separate, hyperlinked, standalone 
>>> grids on a single server:
>>>  
>>>
>>> O I guess I need to give each instance its own Port base: 900x, 901x, 
>>> 902x etc.?
>>>
>>> O I guess each instance needs a separate MySQL schema: opensim1, 
>>> opensim2, opensim3 etc.?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks, Kevin
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de 
>>> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of 
>>> diva at metaverseink.com
>>> Sent: 08 November 2009 23:28
>>> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Configure.exe simply produces the configuration files:
>>>
>>> config-include/MyWorld.ini
>>>
>>> Regions/RegionConfig.ini
>>>
>>> You can edit those file afterwards and change whatever you want there.
>>>
>>>  From what you say below, you seem to have enough experience with
>>>
>>> OpenSim to fiddle with those files manually. (In general I don't
>>>
>>> recommend it, but if you know what you're doing that's fine)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Kevin Buckley wrote:
>>>
>>>  > Karen
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I had a quick look at the diva hypergrid distribution.  I'm interested
>>>
>>>  > because ultimately I think hypergrid is the way to go and also, right 
>>> now,
>>>
>>>  > I'm fed up with the grey avatar/white eyes syndrome and maybe doing
>>>
>>>  > something different might fix it (hahaha).
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I have a question though: what does 'configure.exe' actually do?
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I'm already running a standalone with multi-regions, using MySQL, which
>> a
>>>  > few of us are using and doing some building and asset generation.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I can't use Port-9000 because it's used for something else on my 
>>> server.  So
>>>
>>>  > I use Ports 91xx for a 'Production Grid' and, if I want to test 
>>> something, I
>>>
>>>  > snapshot the /bin directory and the MySQL schema and run an identical
>>>
>>>  > version on Ports 92xx.  If that works, then I migrate the changes to
>> the
>>>  > Production Grid.  And I do an automated back-up of EVERYTHING! Every
>> day,
>>>  > lol.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I don't want to try playing with the diva release and find 
>>> 'configure.com'
>>>
>>>  > trashes my existing setup or MySQL database.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Thanks, Kevin
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>  > From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
>>>
>>>  > [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Karen
>> Palen
>>>  > Sent: 27 October 2009 14:12
>>>
>>>  > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>>
>>>  > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Probably the best way to answer your questions is to install the diva
>>>
>>>  > distibution and try out the hypergrid option!
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  >>From the wiki:
>>>
>>>  > Diva Distribution
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  >     * Preconfigured hypergrided standalone. Easy to setup and to keep 
>>> up to
>>>
>>>  > date. Windows and Linux/Unix. Download the file diva-rNNNN.zip, unzip
>> it,
>>>  > read README.txt and take it from there.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > http://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/downloads
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I found it very easy to install with complete and explicit 
>>> instructions in
>>>
>>>  > README files. The READMEs direct you to the wiki and other places where
>>>
>>>  > fairly complete instructions for using the hypergird can be found.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > WARNING: Opensim is "alpha" software, Hypergid is "pre-alpha" and all 
>>> kinds
>>>
>>>  > of thing work or don't work for no apparent reason. In particular 
>>> hypergrid
>>>
>>>  > availability depends on who has their grid turn on when you try to 
>>> connect -
>>>
>>>  > this varies hourly!
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > For all of that hypergrid is a lot of fun to experiment with, and the 
>>> diva
>>>
>>>  > distribution is stable enough to do development and content creation
>>>
>>>  > provided you keep good backups!
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I do a backupPC backup every night PLUS a complete dump of my MySQL 
>>> database
>>>
>>>  > every night! I was bitten once with database corruption and do NOT 
>>> intend to
>>>
>>>  > lose my work again!
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Good Luck and have fun!
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Karen
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Ken Grunke <kenearlg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  >> From: Ken Grunke <kenearlg at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>  >> Subject: [Opensim-users] linking regions and hypergrid
>>>
>>>  >> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>>
>>>  >> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 12:15 AM
>>>
>>>  >> Is the link-region command from the
>>>
>>>  >> console in a standalone necessary to
>>>
>>>  >> hypergrid from the SA to, say, a region in OSGrid for
>>>
>>>  >> example?
>>>
>>>  >> 
>>>
>>>  >> And is the link-region command needed the other way? From
>>>
>>>  >> the grid
>>>
>>>  >> region to the standalone, that is, to be able to hypergrid
>>>
>>>  >> back to the SA?
>>>
>>>  >> 
>>>
>>>  >> Ken Grunke aka Key Gruin
>>>
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