<div dir="ltr">Thanks, I will.<div><br></div><div>Oren</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Diva Canto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com" target="_blank">diva@metaverseink.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Oren, Ubit submitted a patch that makes
ODE support varregions. It's been pushed. Initial tests show that
it works fine, but please check that it works in your
environments.<span class=""><br>
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On 9/4/2015 10:36 PM, Oren Hurvitz wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Strong -1.
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<div>Varregions don't support ODE, therefore megaregions must
remain.</div>
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<div>It's important to keep support for ODE because it has
significant benefits over BulletSim:</div>
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<div>Most importantly, ODE has consistently good performance,
whereas BulletSim sometimes gets into pathological states
where it consumes extremely high CPU and makes every avatar in
the simulator freeze in place. I reported this bug here: <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789#c26617" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789#c26617" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789#c26617</a>
, but it's still happening (I checked again last month). This
is a huge problem and it's the reason Kitely still uses ODE as
the default physics engine. (We provide BulletSim as an
option, but we warn users against using it.)</div>
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<div>Second, BulletSim has some strange behavior that ODE
doesn't. E.g., in BulletSim my avatar can walk vertically up
some large prims! That doesn't happen with ODE.</div>
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<div>Third, some users prefer ODE's behavior, and they have many
scripts that are fine-tuned for ODE. Switching to BulletSim
would kill their scripts.</div>
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<div>If Varregions supported ODE then it would be ok to
eliminate megaregions. But until that happens, megaregions are
important and need to remain.</div>
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<div>Oren</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 2:35 AM, Diva
Canto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com" target="_blank">diva@metaverseink.com</a>></span>
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<div>Yeah, don't worry, there's no rush. We'll wait for
people's input. Eventually support for megaregions will
be dropped. The question is whether to drop it on the
next release or wait a few more months.
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On 9/4/2015 4:29 PM, Nicky Perian wrote:<br>
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<div>Diva,</div>
I don't have any technical input but, I don't
think a complete input cannot be provided by
posting this at the beginning of a 3 day holiday
weekend in the US. Hopefully, a decision will not
be made over this weekend.
<div>Nicky</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at
5:34 PM, R.Gunther <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rigun@rigutech.nl" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:rigun@rigutech.nl" target="_blank">rigun@rigutech.nl</a>></span>
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<div>Yes, am fine with it when it get
removed. it's not good.<br>
But i expect some people that get sad
because the still say megaregions work
betetr and use that.<br>
<br>
But Kill it ! :)
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On 2015-09-05 00:29, Trinity wrote:<br>
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<div>KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!<br>
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Trinity93<br>
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4, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Diva Canto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com" target="_blank">diva@metaverseink.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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everyone,<br>
<br>
We're cleaning up a few things
in the code, and came across
megaregions. Now that we have
varregions, there is a strong
will among core devs to remove
support for megaregions, because
they were just a temporary hack
for when viewers didn't
understand spaces greater than
256m. Now that they do, the hack
seems unnecessary moving
forward. Megaregions
implementation is contrived and
makes a lot code unnecessarily
complicated.<br>
<br>
Any objections to its removal?<br>
<br>
Diva<br>
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