<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Good point. We'll make ODE understand
vars.<br>
<br>
On 9/4/2015 10:36 PM, Oren Hurvitz wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAHVj34+T2TpfYtR7o2rUbc0ZXNADd2S0ns-csOCLX4N_S+ABLQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Strong -1.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Varregions don't support ODE, therefore megaregions must
remain.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It's important to keep support for ODE because it has
significant benefits over BulletSim:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Most importantly, ODE has consistently good performance,
whereas BulletSim sometimes gets into pathological states
where it consumes extremely high CPU and makes every avatar in
the simulator freeze in place. I reported this bug here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789#c26617"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789#c26617">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789#c26617</a></a>
, but it's still happening (I checked again last month). This
is a huge problem and it's the reason Kitely still uses ODE as
the default physics engine. (We provide BulletSim as an
option, but we warn users against using it.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Second, BulletSim has some strange behavior that ODE
doesn't. E.g., in BulletSim my avatar can walk vertically up
some large prims! That doesn't happen with ODE.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Third, some users prefer ODE's behavior, and they have many
scripts that are fine-tuned for ODE. Switching to BulletSim
would kill their scripts.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If Varregions supported ODE then it would be ok to
eliminate megaregions. But until that happens, megaregions are
important and need to remain.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Oren</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 2:35 AM, Diva
Canto <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com" target="_blank">diva@metaverseink.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div>Yeah, don't worry, there's no rush. We'll wait for
people's input. Eventually support for megaregions will
be dropped. The question is whether to drop it on the
next release or wait a few more months.
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 9/4/2015 4:29 PM, Nicky Perian wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Diva,</div>
I don't have any technical input but, I don't
think a complete input cannot be provided by
posting this at the beginning of a 3 day holiday
weekend in the US. Hopefully, a decision will not
be made over this weekend.
<div>Nicky</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at
5:34 PM, R.Gunther <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rigun@rigutech.nl"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rigun@rigutech.nl">rigun@rigutech.nl</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div>Yes, am fine with it when it get
removed. it's not good.<br>
But i expect some people that get sad
because the still say megaregions work
betetr and use that.<br>
<br>
But Kill it ! :)
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
On 2015-09-05 00:29, Trinity wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!<br>
<br>
</div>
Trinity93<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep
4, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Diva Canto <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com">diva@metaverseink.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
everyone,<br>
<br>
We're cleaning up a few things
in the code, and came across
megaregions. Now that we have
varregions, there is a strong
will among core devs to remove
support for megaregions, because
they were just a temporary hack
for when viewers didn't
understand spaces greater than
256m. Now that they do, the hack
seems unnecessary moving
forward. Megaregions
implementation is contrived and
makes a lot code unnecessarily
complicated.<br>
<br>
Any objections to its removal?<br>
<br>
Diva<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Opensim-dev mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org"
target="_blank">Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</a><br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
Opensim-dev mailing list
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org" target="_blank">Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<hr
style="border:none;color:#909090;background-color:#b0b0b0;min-height:1px;width:99%">
<table
style="border-collapse:collapse;border:none">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="border:none;padding:0px
15px 0px 8px"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"
target="_blank"> <img
moz-do-not-send="true"
src="http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png"
alt="Avast logo" border="0"> </a>
</td>
<td>
<p
style="color:#3d4d5a;font-family:"Calibri","Verdana","Arial","Helvetica";font-size:12pt">
This email has been checked for
viruses by Avast antivirus
software. <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"
target="_blank">www.avast.com</a>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
</div>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Opensim-dev mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org"
target="_blank">Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
Opensim-dev mailing list
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org" target="_blank">Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Opensim-dev mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org">Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<br clear="all">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div class="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Oren Hurvitz<br>
VP R&D<br>
Kitely Ltd.<br>
<br>
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:orenh@kitely.com" target="_blank">orenh@kitely.com</a></div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
Opensim-dev mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org">Opensim-dev@opensimulator.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev">http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>