<div dir="ltr">Just to clarify on the slight chance it was missed, I wasn't suggesting anyone "fork off" in any sense of the term. Many forks, both public and private, already exist and I suspect more will come about. My hope is that the community will survuve and even thrive beyond any code fork.<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Morgaine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com" target="_blank">morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><span class="">Dahlia writes:<br><div style="margin-left:40px"><i>> I'd like to see disagreement and forks as a means to drive innovation rather than conflict.</i><br></div><br></span>More often than not, real project forking into separate projects (not just forking in the github sense) implies an inability or lack of desire to find a meeting of minds with technical peers.<br></div><br>If requirements are dramatically different then project forking can be a very reasonable way forward, and to the benefit of everybody. But if the requirements are really quite similar then forking is more likely an indication of inflexibility and intransigence by one or both parties. The communal engineering process has probably failed.<br><div><br></div><div>This is a technical project, so it's inherently different to discussing the merits of cat pictures -- discussions can be objective. A rationally presented suggestion or even a strong criticism presented in good faith is not a reason for telling people to fork off. If that is the response then it's a sign of extreme project ill health.<br><br></div><div>Negative feedback is intrinsic to good engineering, and all good engineers embrace it. That's not theoretical. Without it a project's direction would never change to take into consideration the bitter lessons of experience.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br><div>Morgaine.<br><br></div></font></span></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Dahlia Trimble <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dahliatrimble@gmail.com" target="_blank">dahliatrimble@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Apparently there is still a fair bit of passion about this platform and I prefer to see this in a manner where people can use the code in a way they see fit and to (hopefully) contribute back something or pay it forward in other ways as appropriate. I'm not opposed to forks but I'd hope civil discourse can be maintained even through the times when much disagreement looms. I would hope that various forks and branches could benefit from each other and the community as a whole can thereby benefit. I'd like to see disagreement and forks as a means to drive innovation rather than conflict.<br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Morgaine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com" target="_blank">morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Good data, thanks Cinder. It doesn't look like death to me.<br><br></div>You clearly have some elite query-foo skills, can you generate a historical list of commits per month and per year? This is a very strong way of debunking allegations of death! :P<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Cinder Roxley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cinder@alchemyviewer.org" target="_blank">cinder@alchemyviewer.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">On May 26, 2015 at 2:59:54 PM, Morgaine (<a href="mailto:morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com" target="_blank">morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com</a>) wrote:</div> <div><blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span><div><div></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>I'm just an observer on this project, albeit a very long term one, dating back to near the beginning. One thing that long-term observers are well qualified to do is to confirm or to deny the veracity of allegations of long-term trends.<br><br>Mike Chase's allegation that<br><br><div style="margin-left:40px">"OpenSim is slowly dieing (IMO) from neglect"<br></div><br></div>is clearly unfounded since commits show no sign of stopping. I haven't checked the rate of commits so perhaps Mike has more information in this regard. I welcome better information.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></span><p><a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/opensimulator/commits/summary" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/opensimulator/commits/summary</a></p><span><font color="#888888"><p><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial">-- </span><br style="font-family:helvetica,arial"><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial">Cinder Roxley</span><br style="font-family:helvetica,arial"><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial">Sent with Airmail</span></p></font></span></div><br></div></div><span>_______________________________________________<br>
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