<div dir="ltr">Diva, <div><br></div><div>I am very interested in co-simulation solution. Personally, I am totally not interested in any solution that results in a bump. I think the users should not be away of the organization of regions/sims as that is a technical implementation detail and not a function of the emersion I as a grid operator am trying to implement. Hence, bumps are not desirable. If I can achieve bumpless movement (walking and riding) anywhere within my grid - that is the solution I am interested in. Speaking without knowing anything about co-simulation, my first concern would be that the average grid operator may find it more technical/complex to setup than simply resizing a bunch of regions and laying "track" across them all. But, that is probably not fair to co-simulation, I will google your co-simulation and do some research - thank you very much. <br>
<br>Since you are reading this :) have you given any thought to vehicles being able to do HG transfers? </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Diva Canto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com" target="_blank">diva@metaverseink.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I don't think security has been holding
this up. Security is an issue in OSGrid, only, but there are ways
of mitigating it. The major hold up is that it's not trivial to do
the handover of these objects, and no one with enough technical
skills to do it has had enough motivation to do it in core. I tend
do to this kind of stuff (moving things around servers), but, as
you can see below, I don't have any motivation to do it, because I
believe that border crossings SL-style are an inferior solution to
the problem of moving vehicles within large areas. Instead of
following that solution, I invested my time in figuring out how to
do co-simulation in order to avoid borders in the first place.<br>
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This is my perspective on the issue. I can't speak for others.<div class=""><br>
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On 6/16/2014 9:45 AM, Frank Nichols wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thank you - the comments are very interesting and
while I was aware of the security concerns, I didn't realise
that was a big part of the hold up. I assumed security issues
would be the equivalent of walking across a border.</div>
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<div><tt>I'm sure vehicle border crossings are important
for some situations. </tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>For me, they got a lot less important now that
OpenSim supports variable-sized regions. There are
also alternatives (co-simulation) to moving vehicles
along very large areas that are able to avoid crossing
borders altogether, therefore avoiding the "bumps" on
borders and the extra load that moving vehicles and
crossing borders entail. These 2 things (varregions
and co-simulation) don't exist in SL, but they're
superior in some respects, because they avoid crossing
borders altogether; it's much smoother, keeps the load
down, and avoids running into security issues.</tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>Here's a video showing a large-scale traffic
co-simulation:</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=291yE_9eefU#t=4m02s" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=291yE_9eefU#t=4m02s</a></tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>Co-simulation means that one simulator has part
of the objects, in this case the vehicles, and the
other simulators have the rest of the scene objects.
The vehicles never cross borders, even though they
move along very large distances (in this case, 3km x
1.5km).</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>I talked about how to do this at OSCC'13. </tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>This is not to say that I don't support adding
proper vehicle border crossing support to OpenSim, if
someone cares to do it. +1!</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><tt>But I would never trade the borderless way
of moving vehicles for the SL's way of moving
vehicles</tt>, so vehicle border crossings has been
very low priority for me, personally. </tt><tt>One of
the perks of reimplementing the server-side is that we
can do things that can't be done in SL!</tt><br>
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