<div dir="ltr">May I suggest just publicizing the fact that Opensim has historically allowed negative numbers and that there are no plans to make any changes to this? That is: Do Nothing about it.<div><br></div><div>The one thing I am proposing is that we make no changes for Bullet's benefit here. If the Bullet developers don't want to deal with negative terrain heights that is fine with me, but I don't think Opensim should be changed to accommodate it. Same with the viewers. Either they work right with negative heights or they do not. It isn't a bug for Opensim to allow negative heights, and it shouldn't disallow them -- other than taking note of it I don't think there is anything to do here.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM, David Saunders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abitar.com@gmail.com" target="_blank">abitar.com@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The best way I can think of is to keep the default at 20m, but allow it to be set to zero. HAve the ability to to use negative numbers for height. <div>
<br></div><div>1> This will allow a standard of 20m with the current opensim. </div>
<div>2> Grid owners can decide if they want to change this default ro say 0m. </div><div>Or set up areas of regions that have it set, would look silly if one region was 20m and the other was 0m unless you make some kind of land transition</div>
<div><br></div><div>but the hardest part would be i think is have itne clients work with negative numbers. I remember back with the build ceilings that where built into the clients and how long that was removed :) </div>
<div>It would also require OS code testing to find all those places where negative numbers are assumed does not exists.</div><div><br></div><div>But leaving hte default water level to where it is now would make it more SL like for people coming over :) </div>
<div>. . <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Dahlia Trimble <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dahliatrimble@gmail.com" target="_blank">dahliatrimble@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Make zero sea level? Wouldn't that change the definition of zero for everything else? Not sure that's a good idea... I'd think just enabling negative zero would be a better choice.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Mister Blue <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misterblue@misterblue.com" target="_blank">misterblue@misterblue.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">When I built BulletSim, I build for positive only altitudes because I thought that was the rule. The only implementation reason I see for not allowing negative terrain altitudes would be finding all the random places where code makes sign assumptions.<div>
<br></div><div>If negative altitudes are needed, it would not be too hard to make it happen. I can see the geographically oriented people wanting zero to be sea level and allowing land to be above and below that.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div>-- mb</div></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Cinder Roxley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cinder.roxley@phoenixviewer.com" target="_blank">cinder.roxley@phoenixviewer.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Given reasonable constraints, I don't see why viewers wouldn't be able to adapt to support variable depth. I'd certainly be willing to write a viewer patch if support cropped up.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:52 AM, David Saunders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abitar.com@gmail.com" target="_blank">abitar.com@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I wounder how hard it would be to modify varasm to allow a start and end to the Z axes so we can stack a deep ocean and a space sim to the normal sim :) <div><br></div><div>But then again would the client handle all these changes? (partly do) </div>
<div><br></div><div>So the solution is to make deep water simulators, But any test this? I never been asked to set up any sims with deep water so I not experience with "outside the box" water :) </div><div><br>
</div><div>I was drawn to opensim with the idea of making "pure" space sims where you can float around in real space but I dug into it and I would have to rewrite so much code to do this and after that would the client handle it? So I stuck with making Moon simulators, Low gravity fixed sky.... This was a long time ago, back in the early days of opensim.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now times are changing, I think I might dig into doing it again since varasim allow you to make a 4096x4096x4096 regions :) </div><div><br></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra">
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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Ai Austin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ai.ai.austin@gmail.com" target="_blank">ai.ai.austin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>At 04:09 26/04/2014, drWhiet wrote:<br>
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even boat creators must keep an eye that the engine does not move below -0<br>
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Remember the default water level is +20m (adjustable on a per region basis)... with a "normal" terrain base of 0m.<br>
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Maybe its global warming in the metaverse that raised the sea level :-)<div><div><br>
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