<div dir="ltr">The basic problem is that their development will effect me as a user.<div><br></div><div>I have no complaints about what Justin is trying to do. My complaint is how he has to word what he is doing, and I think it is because there is something wrong with the organization of this development project. Having looked at that organization, I'd say that the basic problem is that it is oriented about what potential developers might want to do rather than about what users might want. It's an organization I would want nothing to do with even if I wanted to work upon OpenSim rather than within it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Not only do I not want to do development, I want to use the system which was developed. The only reason I joined this list is because I think that the development currently happening is a threat to my continued enjoyment of the product. The difference between me and most end users is that I'm a retired programmer -- I know how these things go.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So, you may drop dead for all I care. You are not helping to protect my environment.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nebadon2025@gmail.com" target="_blank">nebadon2025@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Jim,<br><br></div> You are way off topic here, this has nothing to do with OSG or Metro grids, I don't know why you suddenly feel the need to criticize everyone and everything announced here, but it has finally gotten to the point where I feel I need to step in and say something about this, your comments of late seem unproductive and volatile as if you are just trying to start arguments, please keep the drama out of these communications, Justin is simply trying to keep things moving forward in a productive manner and all I see from you lately is negativity and nothing that lends to any kind of improvement, this is a developer channel, if you want to lend to development than do something productive other than criticize, start submitting patches or get directly involved in debugging and filing bug reports or something, but please take the drama else where it is no appreciated.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Jim Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sphere1952@gmail.com" target="_blank">sphere1952@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Justin,<div><br></div><div>The fact that your message is a plea rather than an announcement makes it rather clear why I felt I had to leave OSG and move my sim to Metro. It also explains to me why I felt I had to add myself to this list at the same time -- self protection.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If your release cycle is 4 months shouldn't there be a hard and fast feature freeze at the end of the first month? And there should be no back-talk or exceptions. Bug fixes ought to be just about 3/4 of the effort anyway. What OpenSim needs is credibility as a stable working system, not more features.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If it''s a choice between what is going on now and having no development on OpenSim, I think I'd rather see no development. I have no way of stopping the badness from happening at my end other than complaining about it.</div>
<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Justin Clark-Casey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com" target="_blank">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi folks. For the past 3 years, we've had a significant OpenSimulator release at about 4 to 8 month intervals.<br>
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As the last major release (0.7.6) was in September 2013, we are due for another, and this seems like a reasonable point. From my perspective, releases drive a very significant level of OpenSimulator adoption. It's also the case that I may have a limited window of time to act as release manager, after which things may get very busy for me for an extended period.<br>
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There was some disagreement over how the last release was handled, particularly over the period when I asked that developers take care to leave master stable. However, it's quite hard for me to see how this could be done in another way without significantly more manpower. Even when the release is branched, if the release branch and master diverge significantly (or master is broken) then a lot of the testing done by users is lost - very few people actually pick up and test release candidates.<br>
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So unless there is disagreement, I'm going to ask that people take care to keep master stable until the end of April or release, whichever occurs first. This certainly does not mean a halt to development on master, it's just a request that people take a common sense approach to holding off from putting in destabilising or very complicated changes for a while, unless these are to fix significant bugs or regressions.<br>
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I'm very happy to hear alternatives, though I would also need people to help if they involve more work. In any case, Robert has very kindly volunteered to look at some of the current regressions but more help is always very welcome.<br>
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The current regressions or very major bugs have a 0.8 target in Mantis. As with every release so far, only major regressions are guaranteed to receive some sort of attention, where the answer may still be WONTFIX for this release.<br>
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