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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Well, I started to wonder if this is a concern to me
because I used to have Greenlife Viewer/Emerald Viewer until I had to uninstall
it and go with Emergence Viewer instead. I have tried Phoenix Viewer when it was
out, but it was really laggy for me on SL even in sandboxes, and it seemd worser
when trying Firestorm Viewer. The only other viable viewer for me to use on SL
that I have found is Singularity Viewer. So right now, the only viewers I have
on this system is an old v1 SL Viewer, Emergence Viewer, Singularity Viewer,
InWorldz Viewer (that I use when connecting to InWorldz as I'm also on there),
and Meerkat Viewer (which I used a few times on OpenSims I have connect to
OSGrid). The only two viewers I basically use when connecting to SL are
Emergence and Singularity.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Erik McDarby</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mircea_the_kitsune@hotmail.com
href="mailto:mircea_the_kitsune@hotmail.com">Mircea Kitsune</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev mailing list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Opensim-dev] OpenSim's
direction after Linden cutting support, and the possibility of an official
OpenSim viewer</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I noticed most users prefer Firestorm and it's considered the
best third-party viewer at this day. Although it's a thing of personal
preference, I am a bit worried that Firestorm gets all the attention, since
I'm not seeing any of the other viewers getting mentioned much since Firestorm
is there. Like I said I don't like it because it's very bloated and slow...
the ideal viewer for me is one just like the official SL client but with a
grid manager, build / upload limits removed, and new features added.<BR><BR>As
far as I know the Second Life viewer is GPL licensed, so distributing it
should be possible like any other GPL software. Excluding the Havoc library
which supposedly caused OpenSim support to go away. Changes unrelated to the
Havoc lib should always be GPL too, so if LL adds something that OpenSim
viewer can integrate it should be ok. OpenSim is MIT licensed if I remember
right, but there's nothing wrong with distributing a MIT code and a GPL one
under the same name and website.<BR><BR>Building a viewer from scratch is
something I don't believe will happen or needs to happen. It would be an
enormous amount of work, only to achieve something very similar to what's
already there. The SL viewer just needs work in places where Linden didn't
give it much attention, but is well optimized in many areas.<BR><BR>
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:55:28 +0100<BR>From:
garmin.kawaguichi@magalaxie.com<BR>To:
opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<BR>Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] OpenSim's direction
after Linden cutting support, and the possibility of an official OpenSim
viewer<BR><BR>
<DIV class=ecxmoz-cite-prefix><SPAN id=ecxresult_box lang=en class=ecx><SPAN
class=ecxhps><SPAN id=ecxresult_box lang=en class=ecx><SPAN class=ecxhps>I
much prefer</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>using</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>Firestorm</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>for</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>OpenSim</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>since</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>developers have</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>clearly
separated</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>Opensim</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>version</SPAN> <SPAN class="ecxhps ecxalt-edited">from</SPAN>
<SPAN class=ecxhps>the SL one.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>Firestorm</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>431 31155</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>version</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>is very powerful</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>and there are</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>of course some</SPAN>
<SPAN class="ecxhps ecxalt-edited">lacks.</SPAN><BR class=ecx><SPAN
class=ecxhps>But</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>Firestorm</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>developers</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>are very responsive</SPAN>
<SPAN class=ecxhps>and they opened</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>a section</SPAN>
<SPAN class=ecxhps>OpenSim</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>in their</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>Jira (</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN id=ecxresult_box lang=en
class=ecx><SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN id=ecxresult_box lang=en
class=ecxshort_text><SPAN class=ecxhps>successfully
tested)</SPAN></SPAN>.</SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR>
<DIV id=ecxgt-res-content class=ecxalmost_half_cell>
<DIV style="ZOOM: 1" dir=ltr><SPAN id=ecxresult_box lang=en class=ecx><SPAN
class=ecxhps>On the other hand</SPAN><SPAN>, we can always</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>think that people</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>who have made</SPAN>
<SPAN class=ecxhps>a server</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>would be best
placed</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>to make a</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>viewer.</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>Except that</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>this would lead to</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>a paradoxical
situation</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>where </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN id=ecxresult_box
lang=en class=ecx><SPAN id=ecxresult_box lang=en class=ecx><SPAN
class=ecxhps>OpenSim</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=ecxhps>developers</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>ask</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>Linden Lab</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>permission to use</SPAN>
<SPAN class=ecxhps>sources</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>V2/3/4,</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>keeping in</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>mind that</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>the issue of</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>licenses</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>would remain the same</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>that
with</SPAN><SPAN class=ecxhps></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>the</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>SL</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>viewer</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>and
the viewer</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>FireStorm</SPAN><SPAN>.<BR><BR>As for
building </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN id=ecxresult_box lang=en class=ecx><SPAN><SPAN
id=ecxresult_box lang=en class=ecx><SPAN class=ecxhps>a viewer</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>from scratch</SPAN><SPAN class=ecx>,</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>as
did</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>our</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>realXtend</SPAN>
<SPAN class=ecxhps>friends .... it's </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
id=ecxresult_box lang=en class=ecx><SPAN class=ecxhps>difficult</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>to gather</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>enough people</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>and</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>get results</SPAN> <SPAN
class=ecxhps>in</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps>a significant
delay.<BR><BR>GCI<BR></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR></DIV>
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