We have client side of the cached bakes check implemented in libomv. In case you are going to implement this server side you can ping me for details.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Justin Clark-Casey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">That's great info, Mic - I wasn't aware of this message exchange.<br>
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It sounds like in the future it would be a good idea to implement these messages and remove temporary assets from the asset service periodically.<br>
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On 25/09/11 19:38, Mic Bowman wrote:<br>
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I will carefully disagree with Justin on this one. The viewer doesn't upload textures by default. It only uploads the<br>
textures if it believes something has changed. OpenSim doesn't currently respond correctly to the v2/v3 packets for<br>
cached appearance and earlier versions of the viewer can be told that that appearance parameters haven't changed so that<br>
textures are never uploaded (this saves a lot of bw... remember that if you upload textures they have to be sent out to<br>
everyone in the scene so it isn't the upload bw... its like putting new textures on objects every time the sim starts).<br>
In practice, people change appearance so infrequently that the baked textures do not fill up the asset database. And<br>
even when the do, so long as you don't get stuck in the "assets can never be deleted" way of thinking... (baked textures<br>
are marked as temporary anyway)... its pretty easy to clean up the asset db based on a reasonable set of policies.<br>
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On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Neil Canham <<a href="mailto:neil@knowsense.co.uk" target="_blank">neil@knowsense.co.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:neil@knowsense.co.uk" target="_blank">neil@knowsense.co.uk</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Ah - I hadn't appreciated that NPCs need to be cloned from a logged in AV. That makes sense.<br>
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As for the persistence, like Mic I think there is potentially an argument for it, as an option, for closed private<br>
sims for example, or sims where you expect a lot of people to log in at roughly the same time. However, I<br>
appreciate that would be a big change so thanks for clarifying how it operates now.<br>
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On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Justin Clark-Casey <<a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com" target="_blank">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com" target="_blank">jjustincc@googlemail.<u></u>com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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For ordinary avatars, baked textures don't need permanent persistence since the avatar uploads them on every<br>
login or when any body part/wearable is changed. This will have no effect on slow rezzing or cloudiness - if a<br>
viewer is in the region it should always have uploaded the textures that it bakes.<br>
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Indeed, there's little value in persisting these since the client will upload them on every login/region<br>
entrance. Persisting baked textures would bloat the asset service more than is already the case.<br>
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An NPC, on the other hand, has no viewer from which these baked textures are uploaded. So they have to be disk<br>
persisted at the point from which it is cloned from a 'live' avatar.<br>
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On 24/09/11 19:28, Neil Canham wrote:<br>
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I confess that I am puzzled. I found this fantastic description from Mic of how 0.7 appearance works<br></div>
<a href="http://opensim-dev.2196679.n2." target="_blank">http://opensim-dev.2196679.n2.</a><u></u>__<a href="http://nabble.com/What-I-ve-Learned-__About-AvatarAppearance-__td5655933.html" target="_blank">nabble.com/What-I-ve-<u></u>Learned-__About-<u></u>AvatarAppearance-__td5655933.<u></u>html</a><div class="im">
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<<a href="http://opensim-dev.2196679.n2.nabble.com/What-I-ve-Learned-About-AvatarAppearance-td5655933.html" target="_blank">http://opensim-dev.2196679.<u></u>n2.nabble.com/What-I-ve-<u></u>Learned-About-<u></u>AvatarAppearance-td5655933.<u></u>html</a>> and it<br>
fits with what I<br>
see analysing the packets against 0.7.1. So that seems quite clearly to say that baked textures are never<br>
persisted,<br>
and that would explain the slow rezzing and 'cloudiness' of avatars that I see regularly. However, the new<br>
npc code<br>
seems to require that a baked texture is available to copy from. So are baked textures now persisted in the<br>
latest code?<br>
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