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    We're not lawyers either. That's why the project has consulted with
    lawyers for this. The rules originally came from IBM legal (if I'm
    not mistaken, although I wasn't here when that happened) and from a
    lawyer based in San Diego who has recently reinforced the need for
    them, again. He explained the options to move beyond them, and
    that's the advice that we are following.<br>
    <br>
    On 11/1/2010 2:02 PM, James Stallings II wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:AANLkTik8ExOLo_7n4EWC8ZXgYEMUZxsdWpqGtPDuUsaF@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">One thing that always seems to be absent from these
      discussions is the legal concept of 'estoppel'. Which, as it
      applies to us here, essentially means that LL has pretty
      consistently and over the full lifetime of its business
      demonstrated an intent to form a community of consumers and set
      the terms for that consumption, and having done so, cannot turn on
      that community and prosecute for consumption in kind. Read:
      they've encouraged the growth of this community and continued to
      support it since the beginning, and cannot now turn on it and
      prosecute it for existing.
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      <div>This precedent of law also applies to those who might
        purchase LL - and while they may be quite disinterested in
        continuing support of that preexisting community (and are in
        fact under no obligation to do so), they cannot change the past
        relationship and cannot pursue legal actions over it, or prevent
        the continued use of that which has already left the lab on a
        promotional basis (e.g., the viewer source and the
        communications protocols). LL have long maintained that they
        wanted to produce 'the next HTML' for the '3d web'. That,
        coupled with the open release of the viewer tech and protocols,
        are a fairly clear presentation of intent.</div>
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      <div>Just my 0.02$L, and I am not even a lawyer.</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>Cheers</div>
      <div>James/Hiro</div>
      <div><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:28 PM,
          Cristina Videira Lopes <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lopes@ics.uci.edu">lopes@ics.uci.edu</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
            0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
            padding-left: 1ex;">We have been discussing these issues
            internally for a while. The main issue, from an
            organizational perspective, is that the project is not part
            of any official organization, and, as such, cannot take
            signed contributors' agreements that would do away with the
            strict restrictions that we have in place.<br>
            <br>
            Note that these restrictions are in place for a very good
            reason: OpenSim is very close to one company's product,
            Second Life, and works with their GPL client. However, the
            license is BSD; we don't want to put people's businesses in
            danger by risking claims that there is code in here that
            comes from a GPL project. That's the reason why these very
            restrictive policies are in place: we're protecting the
            businesses that are emerging on top of the platform.<br>
            <br>
            Even though we all believe that Linden Lab would never do
            anything to harass the OpenSim community, we are more
            cautious about Linden Lab's next owner, assuming the likely
            possibility that LL will be acquired. There are a lot of
            sharks out there...<br>
            <br>
            So, not withstanding the LGPL issue, which I agree changes
            things a little bit, the best way out of these restrictions
            once and for all is for us to form an official non-profit
            organization. That will allow that organization to receive
            signed contributors' agreements saying that their
            contributions are, indeed, original -- even if they have
            been involved in viewer development. Such agreements move
            the responsibility to the individual contributors, instead
            of affecting the project as a whole, as it is now.<br>
            <br>
            We are moving in that direction.<br>
            <br>
            Of course, there is nothing preventing groups of people from
            forming development teams that have less restrictive
            policies. Risk is in the eye of the beholder...
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              <div class="h5"><br>
                <br>
                On Nov 1, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Ai Austin wrote:<br>
                <br>
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                  There has been a number of blog posts and descriptions
                  recently of developments of OpenSim that seek to
                  extend and solidify some of the results of the core
                  developments.  This is great.  Diversity and rapid
                  cycles of innovation is what a vibrant development
                  community needs.  But we need to encourage some of the
                  very best results of these efforts do find their way
                  back to core and shared developments that benefit all.<br>
                  <br>
                  Reading the blog entries of these developments, it
                  seems that a big issue is our lack of clarity of the
                  policy on excluding those who have also been involved
                  in developments of the viewers under the previously
                  restrictive licence terms, and a clear mechanism for
                  extending OpenSim beyond core modules t0 those things
                  essential to make a useful environment.<br>
                  <br>
                  A few examples include:<br>
                     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://sanctuary.psmxy.org/2010/10/31/18/introducing-aurora/"
                    target="_blank">http://sanctuary.psmxy.org/2010/10/31/18/introducing-aurora/</a><br>
                     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/fortis-opensim"
                    target="_blank">http://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/fortis-opensim</a><br>
                     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.meta7.com/" target="_blank">http://www.meta7.com/</a><br>
                  <br>
                  The recent move of the Linden labs viewer licence to
                  Lesser GPL is critical and completely removes the need
                  to be restrictive on that score.  For over 20 years
                  all developments in my group have been Lesser GPL to
                  encourage really widespread and unrestricted take up
                  of the results.<br>
                  <br>
                  Can I suggest that<br>
                  <br>
                  a) The Dev group now discuss this and immediately
                  declare that the previous restriction on excluding
                  developers who have seen LL viewer source code is
                  removed due to the LGPL licence now in effect.<br>
                  <br>
                  b) That we adopt an approach that encourages inputs of
                  elements and usability extensions (via optional
                  modules) that are under LGPL or a suitable Creative
                  Commons Licence.<br>
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