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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Has anyone taken a look at </span></a><a href="http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2010/08/16/project-snowstorm-our-new-open-development-program"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2010/08/16/project-snowstorm-our-new-open-development-program</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> in regards to the licensing and getting the viewer source? It’s coming from what I understand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span><span lang=EN style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Work in the open ***by sharing not only our code***, but our process publicly -- this includes our backlog and our discussion about it.”</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Nicholas Kesick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now at </span><a href="mailto:kesickn09@students.ecu.edu"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>kesickn09@students.ecu.edu</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Frisby, Adam<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br><b>Cc:</b> opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] LL Viewer code license change<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think we should treat this cautiously, but optimistically – this is a big move for Linden to undertake; it is not quite as significant as a move to BSD would be, but it is a solid step forward and may eliminate our chief concerns, and I am of the personal belief it opens some doors to use as far as contributors co-developing goes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would however ask everyone to please hold from examining the code until we’ve got a legal opinion on the matter, but I am quietly optimistic that this may allow us to remove that clause from OpenSim’s own contributor agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David W Levine<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 August 2010 6:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br><b>Cc:</b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de; opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] LL Viewer code license change<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU>If I heard Oz and Esbee correctly, the whole of the viewer, with the exception of the proprietary libs they use (which I htink is the KDU jpeg2000 stuff and one or two media codecs at this point) go to LGPL. You can't mix LGPL and GPL deeply, as Adam's pointed out. I'm not enough of a LGPL wonk to know exactly where that takes things. I'd think the question is "does it change the dynamic on "derivative work" I know being LGPL means that one could link bits direclty into OpenSim legally. That's straightforward. What's less obvious is whether reading the LGPL code causes the same issues that<br>reading GPL code causes. They did point out that they still insist on the contribution agreement, and that the contribution agreement was why they could shift licenses. <br><br>- David<br>` Zha <br><br><br><img border=0 width=16 height=16 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.gif@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010" alt="Inactive hide details for "Frisby, Adam" ---08/17/2010 07:30:24 AM---It'll have to be all LGPL if parts of it are - since the G"><span style='color:#424282'>"Frisby, Adam" ---08/17/2010 07:30:24 AM---It'll have to be all LGPL if parts of it are - since the GPL wont accept redistribution of a mix of</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>From:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Frisby, Adam" <<a href="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au">adam@deepthink.com.au</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image002.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>To:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1029" src="cid:image003.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"<a href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1030" src="cid:image002.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>Date:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1031" src="cid:image003.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>08/17/2010 07:30 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1032" src="cid:image002.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>Subject:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1033" src="cid:image003.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Re: [Opensim-dev] LL Viewer code license change</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1034" src="cid:image002.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>Sent by:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1035" src="cid:image003.png@01CB3EC9.8BFAD010"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><div><div class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><hr size=2 width="100%" noshade style='color:#8091A5' align=left></span></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU><br><br><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’ll have to be all LGPL if parts of it are – since the GPL wont accept redistribution of a mix of LGPL and GPL – only pure GPL.</span><span lang=EN-AU><br><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Check the post on sldev about it – it looks to me from that one that the intention is for it all to be LGPL.</span><span lang=EN-AU><br><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Adam</span><span lang=EN-AU><br><br></span><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> [<a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dahlia Trimble<b><br>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 August 2010 3:53 AM<b><br>To:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><b><br>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] LL Viewer code license change</span><span lang=EN-AU><br><br><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt'>On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Ai Austin <</span><span lang=EN-AU><a href="mailto:ai.ai.austin@gmail.com"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>ai.ai.austin@gmail.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt'>> wrote:</span><span lang=EN-AU><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt'>From: Justin Clark-Casey <</span><span lang=EN-AU><a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>jjustincc@googlemail.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt'>> </span><span lang=EN-AU><br><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt'>As regards to OpenSim contributions, I doubt that the viewer license change to LGPL will make any difference. LGPL just<br>makes it possible to link non-GPL code to the viewer code. The viewer co</span><span lang=EN-AU><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt'>de itself is still virally licensed.</span><span lang=EN-AU><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt'>Justin, where did you get this information? Its not the way it was presented at SLCC (I watched the entire announcement and read the postings afterwards by LL). So, its not the way I read it, but we need to check. They even amended the licence from GPL to LGPL for a lot of the top level parts of the viewer source code as I examined some of the key commitdiffs.</span><span lang=EN-AU><br><br><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt'>"for a lot of the top level parts"? Not the entire code base? I'm curious which parts are now LGPL and which are not, and if not, what license they are under?</span><span lang=EN-AU><br></span><tt><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________</span></tt><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>Opensim-dev mailing list</tt><br><tt><a href="mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a></tt><br><tt><a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</a></tt></span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>