<b><i>> </i></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><b><i>That is true there should be no reason to have patents for stuff </i></b></span><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><b><i>> that <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; "><b><i>shouldnt be there but if you dont you got pigs stealing</i></b></span></i></b></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><b><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; "><b><i>> everyones <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; "><b><i>food.</i></b></span></i></b></span></i></b></span><div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">It's a dog-eat-dog world. If you haven't figured out how capitalism works, that's part of life.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Do you think the Chinese care about U.S. patents? <Rolling my eyes></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">It's a global market, and we can't compete (because of our own silly laws). </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Heck, the Chinese even bring their reverse engineered products back to the U.S. and begin filing patents of their own (claiming to have "improved" the product that they reverse engineered, and stolen) and now they have a valid patent (a utility patent) and they're selling their "patented" products, and it's just another slap in the face to American engineers.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">It makes no sense at all. The whole system is completely broken, just do away with it. 5 year limits, after that... it's public domain.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">5 years gives the competition plenty of time to improve upon your idea, and come out with a product of their own. So if you want to stay in the market, you better bring your "A-game" and continue to develop and improve your product (and make sure that it continues to be the best product out on the market).</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Increased competition, lowers prices. If you had 20 cable providers to choose from, you certainly wouldn't be paying $50-$150/month for cable television, or $60 for a slow DSL connection (simply because there are no other choices other than dial up). Increased competition drives down prices, and breaks up the large monopolistic enterprises (i.e. Microsoft, etc.) </span></font><br>
</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">OpenSource Projects help create affordable alternatives (i.e. Open Office, Linux, MySQL, Apache, OpenSim, etc.) Look at the quality of most open Source projects, and you'll see that Open Source really is a viable alternative, and community projects and Open Source software (and open standards) are good for society. I've seen many OpenSource community projects give large corporations a run for their money (as far as developing high quality products). Firefox beats the pants off of any browser that Microsoft has ever developed. Apache is still much thinner, and performs just as well (if not better) than IIS. Compare the number of crashes on a Linux system to the "Blue Screens of Death" that were quite common on computers during the 1995-2004 era. Just compare the stability of a Linux distro to Microsoft's Windows Millenium Edition. ;-)</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">You could donate an old computer to some hungry third-world kids in West Papua, but they couldn't even afford to pay Microsoft's crazy licensing fees just to turn the computer on. Open Source is a good thing, it gives people alternatives.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div> Mark</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Domain Admin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:admin@glscripting.org">admin@glscripting.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
That is true there should be no reason to have patents for stuff that shouldnt be there but if you dont you got pigs stealing everyones food.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Mark Malewski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark.malewski@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.malewski@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div>> <span style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Doing some researching for a patent here in Norway a few </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">> years back I found that it was near impossible (here) to get a > patent unless what you made was revolutionary new. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">> Anything that would be considered the next step was not >enough for a patent.</span></div><div><br></div></div><div>Our system in the U.S. is so screwed up, it's basically worthless. It's only good for the "patent troll" attorneys that spend their days just looking for people to sue.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As far as doing anything for anyone (other than lawyers) they're useless. It's turning into "nuclear arms" race type of warfare, and the whole system just needs to be done away with.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Software patents are a bad idea, and they need to be abolished. I like your system in Norway, it seems to make more sense (and eliminating 80% of the silly nonsense patent crap in the U.S. would really help innovation and development.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Our patent system is complete garbage, and it's just a form of "corporate warfare" that is used by large companies to strong arm one another, and to stifle off any competition (or kill off any small startups or young companies that don't have the "deep pockets" to afford large legal battles). </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'd abolish at least 70-80% of the system, and toss the DMCA crap out as well. Our whole patent/copyright system needs some serious work. There needs to be some "fair use" clauses (for educational, research, and development purposes) and also patents should only be good for a maximum of 5 years, that's it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>After 5 years, it's public domain. That would help bring an end to all this silly stupidity (and expensive litigation costs, and silly legal battles). If you can't bring your product to market (and a 5 year head start is not enough time for you) then you don't deserve to have a patent anyways.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Too many clowns file patents just for the purpose of suing others. Completely useless, and just use it as a means to litigate and kill off competition. The large corporations do it just to bully other companies around (with legal threats) and they all just build up "arsenals" of patents that they can use against one another.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It's a silly game, and it needs to be abolished. </div><div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><b><i>> It *should* have a block against patenting things that </i></b></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><b><i>> are <span style="font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"><b><i>a natural evolution of existing technology.</i></b></span></i></b></span></div>
<div><br></div></div><div>Agreed. Now just try explaining that to the patent examiner's office.</div><div><br></div> Mark<br><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:28 AM, Tedd Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tedd@nimbustech.no" target="_blank">tedd@nimbustech.no</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Hi</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Actually the patent system should work fine and encourage
innovation. It *<b>should</b>* have a block against patenting things that are a
natural evolution of existing technology.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Sadly, as with all things, the US justice system seems to allow
any party to sue any part for anything and I think that has rubbed off on
patenting (imho). Now companies are patenting everything just to avoid getting
sued. We see examples of this in IBM, Microsoft, etc where they patent it just
to release it to everyone. (Anyone remember the MS-patent for “Dynamic loading and
binding of modules” I found researching for script engine? ;) )</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Doing some researching for a patent here in Norway a few years
back I found that it was near impossible (here) to get a patent unless what you
made was revolutionary new. Anything that would be considered the next step was
not enough for a patent.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Br,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> Tedd</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Malewski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12. februar 2010 06:01</span></p><div><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><i><span style="font-size:10pt">> I honestly believe that the
patent system, by its very nature, </span></i></b></span></p><div><div></div><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><i><span style="font-size:10pt">> is the worst thing ever when
it comes to stifling innovation</span></i></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><i><span style="font-size:10pt">> and technological
advancement.</span></i></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>Agreed.</span></span></p>
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