Could we move this conversation closer towards the subject of OpenSim development please?<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>dahlia<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Mark Malewski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark.malewski@gmail.com">mark.malewski@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im"><div><br></div><div><b><i>> The scourge here in the US are the "patent whores" who make </i></b></div>
<div><b><i>>a business model of doing little more than patenting as many </i></b></div><div><b><i>>ideas as they can and then sit and wait for someone else</i></b></div>
<div><b><i>> to implement an idea and then slam them with a lawsuit for </i></b></div><div><b><i>> "intellectual property rights infringement." </i></b></div><br></div>Yep, the "DivX, Inc." folks are nothing but a team of lawyers, that sit around attempting to steal/use/trademark the "DivX" name (which was used decades earlier and even used by Circuit City, and others (with "DivX" DVD players, etc.<div>
<br></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX_(Digital_Video_Express)" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX_(Digital_Video_Express)</a><br><div><br></div><div>Then some slick lawyers decided to try and create a new "DivX, Inc." company, and then attempted to trademark the name (quietly) and then now they just sit around suing anyone that uses the word "DIVX" and sue any hardware or CE manufacturer that refers to a "DIVX" dvd player, or even any type of OpenDivX or XVID (based on OpenDivx) codec.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So those clown lawyers just sit around suing (and sending out threatening letters) all day and that's how they make their money. Seems to be a very profitable business, just suing people (and charging "royalties" just to use the word "DivX".</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'd really like to see a legal challenge against them, just to see them end up on their heads and watch them lose any rights to the actual DIVX name.</div><div><br></div><div>Just because they have deep pockets, and paid a large sum of money to acquire the "<a href="http://DIVX.COM" target="_blank">DIVX.COM</a>" website, doesn't mean they were the first to use the word (or name) "DIVX".</div>
<div><br></div><div>But this is how the system works, and that's how they make their money. Just suing people.</div><div><br></div><div>They used their deep pockets to "create a story" about some kid they found that was willing to claim to be some hacker, that had used the word "Divx" on his pirated/hacked/illegal code (that was actually Microsoft's code) and this is their concept behind their trademark claims. (Even though the divx name was widely used by hackers, and others in the community that referred to "divx" as being ripped movies done by pirates) and that name was being used for almost 8-12 years prior to this silly hacker clown (who the rich lawyers claim that they "purchased" the rights to use the name from). What a bunch of nonsense. It's just a bunch of deep pocketed lawyers that tried to create a "trademark" out of a common word/name, that everyone uses, just so they can sue people. </div>
<div><br></div><div>As far as products, they just use their deep pockets, and buy out some small tiny company (that designs some type of codec) and then they call it their own product. It's such a joke. DIVX isn't even a codec, it's simply an open source project (OpenDivx) that is now defunct, and turned into the "XVID" project. The DIVX lawyers just make all their money from suing others, and charging royalty fees to use the "DIVX" name (which really isn't even theirs to begin with). That's their business model, suing others, and charging to use a name that isn't even theirs.</div>
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<div><br></div><div><b><i>> It baffles me how anyone would allow such lawsuits to make </i></b></div><div><b><i>> their <span style="font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"><b><i>way through the system.</i></b></span></i></b></div>
<div><br></div></div><div>The judges and politicians are just as crooked. Here in Chicago, we have Senate seats going up for sale to the highest bidder. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Both of our last 2 governors are in prison, and our mayor is a mob boss that hands out political favors to the unions in exchange for extra votes (vote early, vote often, vote 2 or 3 times if you wish...). Typical Chicago Politics. No name, no drivers license? Are you an illegal?Have you been deceased for 12 years? Your vote still gets counted. Over 15-20% of the deceased in Chicago still vote each year. The whole system just makes you laugh. </div>
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<div><br></div><div><b><i>> I can sue a fast food chain if my coffee is too hot. Maybe </i></b></div><div><b><i>> that's why they now offer "iced coffee" ?</i></b></div><div><br></div></div><div>Well that's why you have the words "CAUTION HOT" on the lid and on the cup now. That's nothing, what about the lady who sued because she was "burnt" by a "hot pickle"?</div>
<div><br></div><div>The silly nonsense we have in this country. It's out of control.</div><div><br></div><div>If you don't have the common sense to understand that coffee is hot, then you're nearly too stupid to be human. What ever happened to "Darwinism"? What happened to that failed theory? Weren't the stupid ones supposed to die off or something? Why does it seem like they always end up getting elected to public office, or end up leading this country? Or becoming a governor or mayor?</div>
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<div><br></div><div><b><i>> her defense was that her mother was not a native English </i></b></div><div><b><i>> speaker</i></b></div><div><br></div></div><div>Yeah, she settled for a half a million, and then they had to put the words "CAUTION: HOT" in spanish on the lids now too!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Oye, what a country. It just amazes me. I can't believe the nonsense with our judicial system. The whole patent system really needs to be abolished though.</div><div><br></div><div>The Chinese are reverse engineering everything they can get their hands on (and laughing at us) and it seems to be working out VERY well for them. The only people hurt or affected by silly U.S. patents are the Americans and the U.S. businesses.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Supposed we need to move to India or China, just to get away from this whole mess. Those outside the U.S. don't seem to care about U.S. laws, and they don't have to deal with (or care about) the silly nonsense of the U.S. patent and court system. The whole system is a circus. It needs to be abolished and done away with. 5 year maximum on patents (and maybe we also need 4 year rotating term limits on politicians and judges). That might help fix some of the corruption problems we have. Plus stop ALL campaign contributions from special interest groups and large corporations. I can't pay off a police officer who enforces the law (because that would be considered "illegal"), but it's perfectly ok for large corporations to use campaign contributions to bribe and pay off the politicians that CREATE the laws? I guess that makes a lot of sense.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The whole patent system is messed up. Give them 5 year maximums on patents (on physical inventions that you can touch and hold), and after that it becomes public domain. Abolish the DMCA completely. Source code is still protected under copyright, enuff said. :-)</div>
<div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div> Mark</div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Len Brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lenwbrown@gmail.com" target="_blank">lenwbrown@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The scourge here in the US are the "patent whores" who make a business model of doing little more than patenting as many ideas as they can and then sit and wait for someone else to implement an idea and then slam them with a lawsuit for "intellectual property rights infringement." It baffles me how anyone would allow such lawsuits to make their way through the system.<br>
<br>But then again, we are talking about a country where I can sue a fast food chain if my coffee is too hot. Maybe that's why they now offer "iced coffee" ?<br><br>Even if the coffee cup has posted that its contents are hot there's someone ready to sue. A while back I saw on the news where a woman sued because her mother "burned" her lip from hot coffee purchased at a fast food drive-through window and her defense was that her mother was not a native English speaker, and thus could not understand the message "Caution: Contents May Be Hot"<br>
<br>Guess what? She was awarded half a million $. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:28 AM, Tedd Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tedd@nimbustech.no" target="_blank">tedd@nimbustech.no</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Hi</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Actually the patent system should work fine and encourage
innovation. It *<b>should</b>* have a block against patenting things that are a
natural evolution of existing technology.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Sadly, as with all things, the US justice system seems to allow
any party to sue any part for anything and I think that has rubbed off on
patenting (imho). Now companies are patenting everything just to avoid getting
sued. We see examples of this in IBM, Microsoft, etc where they patent it just
to release it to everyone. (Anyone remember the MS-patent for “Dynamic loading and
binding of modules” I found researching for script engine? ;) )</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Doing some researching for a patent here in Norway a few years
back I found that it was near impossible (here) to get a patent unless what you
made was revolutionary new. Anything that would be considered the next step was
not enough for a patent.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US">Br,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> Tedd</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> 12. februar 2010 06:01</span></p><div><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><i><span style="font-size:10pt">> I honestly believe that the
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it comes to stifling innovation</span></i></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><i><span style="font-size:10pt">> and technological
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>Agreed.</span></span></p>
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