Thanks Mark. Your response is well appreciated. I'm trying a few additional scenarios prior to filing an official bug report. For example, seeing if the issue repeats itself when using SQL Lite as opposed to MySQL, attempting teleportation into the new (invisible) region to see what errors are thrown into the log, etc. Some of these things may lead to a better understanding of how to track down the cause.<br>
<br>- Len<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Mark Malewski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark.malewski@gmail.com">mark.malewski@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I supposed all you can do is file a bug report, and make the core dev's aware of it, and hope that it possibly gets fixed in a future release.<div><br></div><div>Whether you want to view OpenSim as an "application" or a "Platform" or "middleware" or whatever word you want to describe it, the point is that I believe Len was just pointing out something that was "broken".</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regardless of what you want to call OpenSim, (i.e. Application, middleware, platform, etc.) the point of his post was that a feature used to work, and now it's "broken".</div><div><br></div>
<div>I believe his post was meant to be more of a "bug report" type of thing (just to make the dev's aware of the issue). I do believe pointing out bugs is extremely helpful to the project, and that trying to make the project as stable as possible should be one of the primary goals of developing (or designing) anything.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I believe Len understands that it's Alpha-ware, but I believe he was just trying to be helpful by pointing out an "issue" that seems to be broken (in the release that he's currently using).</div>
<div class="im">
<div><br></div><div><b><i>> "Fully working" is not likely to happen anytime soon.</i></b></div><div><br></div></div><div>I believe we all agree on that.</div><div><br></div><div>I wasn't referring to OpenSim "fully working" as a whole, I was referring to a feature that was working previously (and now is broken). We understand things get "broken" from time to time but it's good that individuals at least point the things that are broken out, so at least the dev's are aware of them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>(Although filing a bug report is probably your <b><u>best</u></b> bet at getting the issue addressed or fixed, or at least making one of the core dev's aware of the issue or increasing the likelihood that it might get fixed in a future release).</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Bugs" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Bugs</a></div><div><br></div><div>Len, just file a detailed Mantis report concerning the issue, and let them know what version you are currently using, and just post a mantis bug report about the issue. That's the best way to point out something that is broken (and something that needs fixing). This way one of the dev's can at least look the issue over, and at least they are aware of it.</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/my_view_page.php" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/my_view_page.php</a></div><div><br></div><div>It never hurts to file a bug report, and just point out any "broken" issues that you may find. It certainly increases the chances of the bug getting addressed and fixed. </div>
<div><br></div><div>OpenSim has come a very long way, and things often do get "broken" during refactoring projects. It happens.</div><div><br></div><div><div>Rome wasn't built in a day. The bugs will eventually get squashed. ;-)</div>
<div><br></div></div><div> Mark<br><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Len Brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lenwbrown@gmail.com" target="_blank">lenwbrown@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">Yeah, you're completely correct that it's still "pre-alpha" in status. I fully understand that.<br>
<br>I didn't mean it how it came across, my expectation is definitely not one of reliable stability at this early hour in OpenSim development. I more intended to indicate that this issue with new region creation is just an issue I noticed during my testing and learning console commands.<br>
<br>But I do occasional "production-level" implementation just to see how it handles things. Never doing anything I'd cry over if (when) it fails. :)<br><br>- Len</div><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="im">
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Melanie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melanie@t-data.com" target="_blank">melanie@t-data.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">Hi,<br>
<br>
please don't treat OpenSim as a "product". OpenSim is a toolkit and<br>
a sample application and it is pre-alpha.<br>
<br>
I really don't like to see the expectation of "Fully working",<br>
because OpenSim is written and rewritten at such a rapid rate that<br>
"Fully working" is not likely to happen anytime soon.<br>
<br>
OpenSim is NOT PRODUCTION READY and anyone using it in production<br>
does so at their own risk.<br>
<br>
Melanie<br>
<br></div><div><div>><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Melanie <<a href="mailto:melanie@t-data.com" target="_blank">melanie@t-data.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> That used to work, but was broken some months ago.<br>
>><br>
>> Melanie<br>
>><br>
>> Len Brown wrote:<br>
>> > Greetings all!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I recently wanted to familiarize myself better with many of the console<br>
>> > commands and among them I tried my hand at using the console to create a<br>
>> new<br>
>> > region while in-world. I came upon the following issue:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I'd already created my first region, named "TestRegion" in the normal<br>
>> > fashion and logged into the region and was flying around - all was<br>
>> normal.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I then typed into the console:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > create region NewRegion NewRegion.ini<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Then followed the normal practice for naming the new region (NewRegion)<br>
>> and<br>
>> > assigning it port 9001, etc.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > But in-world the new region did not appear. When bringing up the world<br>
>> map<br>
>> > it was shown there, but not in the mini-map. I teleported to my home<br>
>> > position (128,128 default) and then the new region appeared in the mini<br>
>> map,<br>
>> > but I was still unable to fly into it - in-world it showed nothing was<br>
>> > there.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I ran the shutdown console command then restarted the OS server and when<br>
>> I<br>
>> > logged in the new region was then visible in-world and I could fly into<br>
>> it,<br>
>> > with everything working as expected.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Is this a typical situation or something new? Previously I always had<br>
>> all<br>
>> > my regions listed in a single regions.ini file and since my home region<br>
>> > started first, I could log in and actually watch the regions around me<br>
>> > appearing in-world. I'm guessing there's some kind of communication<br>
>> error<br>
>> > keeping the new region created via console from appearing in-world, yet<br>
>> > showing up in the map and mini-map.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > My Operating System for this example is Windows 7 Home Premium, all<br>
>> updates<br>
>> > applied. Oh, and this is with the 0.6.8 binary release, not a currently<br>
>> > build.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I'll be pleased to file a bug report if this is indeed an undocumented<br>
>> bug.<br>
>> > I could not find anything specific to this issue in the jira myself.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks all!<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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