Honestly from a legal stand point you would be insane to try to start a currency in OpenSimulator at this time, it is Alpha Software, and OpenSimulator team will in no way support an Economic system, i would have to say if your grid is waiting on this, its probably going to be waiting for ever, Do not expect the core dev team to work this problem out for you, if you want an economy you will need to develop it yourself for your grid, there are some examples around to help you get started, but I will repeat, anyone attempting to do this now, is crazy, a TOS is not going to prevent theft, and OpenSimulator is ultimatly not secure, and should not be used in any Level of what is to be considered a Production level enviornment, those who are doing so now are taking an extreme risk and probably have very little understanding of security. and lastly it has already been decided by core dev team at the recommendation of lawyers, that oepnsimulator never include any type of economy system in the core code, for those of you waiting for this are waiting in vain at this point.<br>
<br>Neb<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Colin B. Withers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int">Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If ReactionGrid uses no currency, and has no plans to ever have
it, and does not wish to get involded in virtual commerce, using either core
solutions or external solutions, then indeed it is a 3D chatroom. 3D chatrooms
are well suited to Educational purposes, and indeed my own Opensim grid has
been used by a US college for educational purposes. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">However, for a virtual space to take on the mantle of a virtual
world, then commerce is an essential element, and currency is essential to
that.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think the argument that there is a risk in providing a currency
module in core, from those who might complain "your code ate my
money" is a specious argument. This charge could be levelled whenever
opensim is used as a platform for a virtual world providing virtual real
estate, for real world money (whether a currency module is implemented in core
or external) as if the grid goes down due to software bugs the grid owner stands
to lose rental income, or be liable for the claims of others.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This can all be mitigated against (in territotories that allow
it) by use of a carefully worded TOS.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Should the development of opensim be halted because someone
might claim "your software crashed my hard-drive, and I have lost
US$$$" or "the bugs in your software have contributed to me losing
several tenants this week, losing US$$$ in the process"?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The software is used 'as is', with no claims as fitness for any
particular purpose, and this would apply to any core currency module.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Rock</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">PS Another grid, that the owner ploughed 1000s of dollars into,
has collapsed recently, due to lack of a viable currency solution.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Hart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 06, 2009 3:50 PM<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] Currency</div></div></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Couldn't
disagree more - ReactionGrid has no inworld currency and no plans to ever have
it. Encouraging creativity, sharing, and collaborative learning has proved more
than worthwhile to us. And quite frankly, the legal and tax issues around
running a currency system should require dedicated qualified experts to manage
correctly. You can do a huge amount without play money inworld - and if you
want to pay someone money for a product, there are many solutions out there
that are properly regulated by financial services authorities.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Money
should be something you can add in yourselves if you want (hence I believe it's
on Forge these days), but I completely understand core developer reluctance to
have code in trunk that could potentially come back to haunt with "your
code ate my money" complaints.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Chris</span></p>
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<p style="background: whitesmoke none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int" title="mailto:Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int
CTRL + Click to follow link" target="_blank">Colin
B. Withers</a> </span></p>
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<p style="background: whitesmoke none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Monday, July 06,
2009 1:30 PM</span></p>
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CTRL + Click to follow link" target="_blank">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Has this always been the case? Why was
SampleMoney and OpenCurrency removed?<br>
<br>
Without currency opensim regions and grids devolve into nothing more than 3D
chatrooms.<br>
<br>
Rock<br>
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On Behalf Of Melanie<br>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:47 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Currency<br>
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OpenSim and the OpenSim project don't provide a grid currency<br>
implementation.<br>
<br>
Melanie<br>
<br>
Melvin Carvalho wrote:<br>
> Will currencies be distributed accross grids?<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Jason Fisher<<a href="mailto:bikcmp2@gmail.com" target="_blank">bikcmp2@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Hi, as of revision 9000 or so, SAMPLEMONEY was removed, meaning my<br>
>> grid no longer has currency based of wiredux. I also saw OPENCURRENCY<br>
>> has been removed. I really want currncy on my grid, and need help.<br>
>> Anyone know something I can use on a later revision? THANKS<br>
>> <a href="mailto:bikcmp2@gmail.com" target="_blank">bikcmp2@gmail.com</a><br>
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