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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That’s exactly what AW does. You can host it completely in-house.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Again, I didn’t try it myself but I know several members
of this list did.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Since the AW issue is going off-topic for this list, and we will
talk anyhow, I close here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> Dirk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Andrew
Hughes<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 22. Juni 2009 17:35<br>
<b>An:</b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800
users...HELP! [bayes]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Dirk,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am not 100% towards the opensim. What I am NOT allowed to
do is to use a 3rd party grid. The school has made it clear this must be hosted
by them or hosted by a stand alone company (server farm) and cannot be hosted
by a 3rd party like Linden Lab or Activeworlds. Unless there is a stand alone
version of activeworlds to use. They want to own the world and that was told to
me from the start or we are not allowed to do this project for them. Trust me I
would love to make them just buy grids from SL or Activeworlds (it makes my
life sooo much easier. lol).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dirk Krause <<a
href="mailto:dirk.krause@pixelpark.com">dirk.krause@pixelpark.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I don’t want
to spoil the show for OpenSim here, but if you really want 800 users in a
virtual world there is no way around ActiveWorlds (<a
href="http://activeworlds.com/" target="_blank">http://activeworlds.com/</a> )
– at least that’s how IBM does it according to David van Gent. When
it comes to user number of 50 or higher at one place, they switch to
ActiveWorlds. It is an old but very proven technology that is very affordable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Again, I am not
promoting AW being a big OpenSim fan myself ( <a
href="http://web3dblog.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://web3dblog.wordpress.com</a>
) but if you want to get the job done, you might consider AW. I
didn’t try it myself but filed it under ‘you need that for large
numbers’</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you want to have
it based on OpenSim for some reason, ignore this comment here </span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> Dirk</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Von:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Andrew Hughes<br>
<b>Gesende</b></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>t:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> Montag, 22. Juni 2009 17:17<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800
users... HELP! [bayes]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Nebadon,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Thanks for your info, it's really shedding light on this issue. I might not
of explained what I am after in detail. I am not looking to run 1 sim, I am
looking to run multiple sims that will handle the load of 800 users. I do not
know how to make those sims (not regions I know how to make the xml file and
make another island) but the server side software connect together on one
machine to handle the load. To make that type of grid, does anyone know where
we could actually obtain those servers? Regarding asset storage, we do not
anticipate the students really doing anything except for coming into this area
and meet with their teachers for a presentation. Let me know what you guys
think, as I am trying to find the best solution for the school. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Nebadon Izumi <<a
href="mailto:nebadon2025@gmail.com" target="_blank">nebadon2025@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>At this current time getting 800 people into 1
region is going to be virtually impossible, even with the load balance the
region max limit is probably going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of
around 100 users max per 1 region, without load balancing your going to get
about 30-40 users max per region. And really these limits are only going
to apply if your all your doing is standing around chatting, if your expecting
people to be able to build and script you can cut these numbers way down
depending on your hardware your deploying. My guess though even if you
could get 800 people into 1 region (Highly Unlikley it will ever happen
honestly) you are likely to have other issues with chat and being able to
actually control communications with such large crowds. I hate to say it but
OpenSimulator is really in no way capable of housing such a large production at
this time nor likely will be anytime in the near future either. If your
talking about 800 students spread out over an entire grid all not in the same 1
region then that is more realistic but the same math will apply, your going to
need a good 30 regions with all having 1 core of CPU power and aprox 2gb ram
per region if your expecting 800 users, and your going to need fairly beefy
Asset services with lots of storage space. Anyway if you have more
questions about it please let us know.<br>
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-- <br>
Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ <a href="http://osgrid.org"
target="_blank">http://osgrid.org</a><br>
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