Hi Dirk,<div><br></div><div>I am not 100% towards the opensim. What I am NOT allowed to do is to use a 3rd party grid. The school has made it clear this must be hosted by them or hosted by a stand alone company (server farm) and cannot be hosted by a 3rd party like Linden Lab or Activeworlds. Unless there is a stand alone version of activeworlds to use. They want to own the world and that was told to me from the start or we are not allowed to do this project for them. Trust me I would love to make them just buy grids from SL or Activeworlds (it makes my life sooo much easier. lol).</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dirk Krause <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dirk.krause@pixelpark.com">dirk.krause@pixelpark.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi,</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I don’t want to spoil the show for OpenSim here, but if you
really want 800 users in a virtual world there is no way around ActiveWorlds (<a href="http://activeworlds.com/" target="_blank">http://activeworlds.com/</a> ) – at least that’s
how IBM does it according to David van Gent. When it comes to user number of 50
or higher at one place, they switch to ActiveWorlds. It is an old but very
proven technology that is very affordable.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Again, I am not promoting AW being a big OpenSim fan myself ( <a href="http://web3dblog.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://web3dblog.wordpress.com</a> ) but
if you want to get the job done, you might consider AW. I didn’t try it myself
but filed it under ‘you need that for large numbers’</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If you want to have it based on OpenSim for some reason, ignore
this comment here </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best,</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> Dirk</span></p>
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<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">Von:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Andrew
Hughes<br>
<b>Gesende</b></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">t:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Montag, 22. Juni
2009 17:17<br>
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800
users... HELP! [bayes]</span></p>
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<p>Hi Nebadon,</p>
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<p>Thanks for your info, it's really shedding light on this
issue. I might not of explained what I am after in detail. I am not looking to
run 1 sim, I am looking to run multiple sims that will handle the load of 800
users. I do not know how to make those sims (not regions I know how to make the
xml file and make another island) but the server side software connect together
on one machine to handle the load. To make that type of grid, does anyone know
where we could actually obtain those servers? Regarding asset storage, we do
not anticipate the students really doing anything except for coming into this
area and meet with their teachers for a presentation. Let me know what you guys
think, as I am trying to find the best solution for the school. Thanks!</p>
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<p>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Nebadon Izumi <<a href="mailto:nebadon2025@gmail.com" target="_blank">nebadon2025@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">At this current time getting
800 people into 1 region is going to be virtually impossible, even with the
load balance the region max limit is probably going to be somewhere in the
neighborhood of around 100 users max per 1 region, without load balancing your
going to get about 30-40 users max per region. And really these limits
are only going to apply if your all your doing is standing around chatting, if
your expecting people to be able to build and script you can cut these numbers
way down depending on your hardware your deploying. My guess though even
if you could get 800 people into 1 region (Highly Unlikley it will ever happen
honestly) you are likely to have other issues with chat and being able to
actually control communications with such large crowds. I hate to say it but
OpenSimulator is really in no way capable of housing such a large production at
this time nor likely will be anytime in the near future either. If your
talking about 800 students spread out over an entire grid all not in the same 1
region then that is more realistic but the same math will apply, your going to
need a good 30 regions with all having 1 core of CPU power and aprox 2gb ram
per region if your expecting 800 users, and your going to need fairly beefy
Asset services with lots of storage space. Anyway if you have more
questions about it please let us know.<br>
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Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ <a href="http://osgrid.org" target="_blank">http://osgrid.org</a><br>
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