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I think I need to re-formulate myself; what I intended was for each of us to take the decision -for-ourselves- whether we wanted to work towards this goal or not.<BR>
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I would never dream of trying to try to impose any suggestion of imposing anything on anyone. I just thought that if I'd call out, people could rally over an initiative and say 'hell yeah', 'I'm in', 'I'm going to take on mantis', 'what can I do to help!' et c.<BR>
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For myself, I have now taken the oath -to-myself- to concentrate solely on mantis and nunit testing until we tag 0.7, whenever that is.<BR>
<BR>As a side effect of that thinking, I think I have begun thinking about a 'OpenSim lightweight issue squashing cycle'. The goal there would be to maximize collaborative effect while minimizing personal effort. As always. Maybe that's something that can grow out of this 0.7 discussion.<BR>
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One of the ideas I have is to have a mantis user class 'tester' that can<BR>
* close resolved cases (the idea is to ideally have the original reporter close it, but if we have resolved issues older than say two weeks, any tester can claim the issue, test it, and close)<BR>
* set issues as duplicate of another, or related to (this is probably one of the most low hanging fruit we have)<BR>
* set issues to "confirmed" (the idea being that issues that are older than say two months will automatically be demoted to "unconfirmed", and would have to be re-confirmed)<BR>
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and quite possibly some other things as well. I believe this class is quite similar to the 'updater' class we already have, but that we don't use. Maybe with some tweaking, it could become that?<BR>
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Anybody out there would want to be such a 'tester'? If so, now's the time to step forward.<BR>
<BR>Best regards,<BR>Stefan Andersson<BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:40:17 -0700<BR>From: cfk@pacbell.net<BR>To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<BR>Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Just to pick on the "Longest Open" for a little bit, here they are. The last column is the number of days the Mantis has been open.<BR><BR>It seems to me that a Mantis open over a year is a good candidate for a feature request, perhaps a 'wont fix' or even a 'we did fix and forgot to close'.<BR><BR>So, to avoid me unilaterally starting to close some of these, I would like to call on others to look into them and I will support *any* reasonable decision in getting our "Longest Open" to be less then 451 days old.<BR><BR>Charles<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[confirmed] opensim does not support https in *STANDALONE*" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=721">0000721</A> - opensim does not support https in *STANDALONE*</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>451</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[assigned] Continual request of 'non existent asset' c228d1cf-4b5d-4ba8-84f4-899a0796aa97" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=765">0000765</A> - Continual request of 'non existent asset' c228d1cf-4b5d-4ba8-84f4-899a0796aa97</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>444</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[acknowledged] Neighbors that start up don't display" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=960">0000960</A> - Neighbors that start up don't display</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>411</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[feedback] On teleport, child agents are not hidden, but remain visible in region of origin" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1054">0001054</A> - On teleport, child agents are not hidden, but remain visible in region of origin</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>400</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[assigned] Physical prims pushed off edge of region roll to infinity" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1131">0001131</A> - Physical prims pushed off edge of region roll to infinity</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>392</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[feedback] Doing shift-drag-copy linked non-phantom prims produces phantom copies" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1147">0001147</A> - Doing shift-drag-copy linked non-phantom prims produces phantom copies</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>390</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[feedback] Doing shift-drag-copy linked prims produces a new center point" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1149">0001149</A> - Doing shift-drag-copy linked prims produces a new center point</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>390</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title='[confirmed] "Already logged in" message on first connect attempt' href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1176">0001176</A> - "Already logged in" message on first connect attempt</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>388</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[new] Day Cycle Editor settings not remembered for sim" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1184">0001184</A> - Day Cycle Editor settings not remembered for sim</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>388</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[assigned] There are currently no constraints on link set size or prim count." href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1209">0001209</A> - There are currently no constraints on link set size or prim count.</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>387</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[feedback] Individually set Phantom flag for prims in a linkset" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1211">0001211</A> - Individually set Phantom flag for prims in a linkset</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>387</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[new] Edited child prims in linksets revert and don't save as changed" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1217">0001217</A> - Edited child prims in linksets revert and don't save as changed</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>387</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[new] Avatar sometimes remains with selection after right-clicking an object" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1229">0001229</A> - Avatar sometimes remains with selection after right-clicking an object</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>385</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[assigned] Prim permissions lost while in-world" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1244">0001244</A> - Prim permissions lost while in-world</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>384</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title='[new] r4746 - client does not get or display "inventory timeout" message from region' href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1317">0001317</A> - r4746 - client does not get or display "inventory timeout" message from region</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>377</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[new] Taking groups of objects not implemented" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1332">0001332</A> - Taking groups of objects not implemented</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>376</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[confirmed] sitting pose is not correct when sitting on a box" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1342">0001342</A> - sitting pose is not correct when sitting on a box</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>375</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[new] sitting pose is not correct when sitting on the rotated cylinder" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1343">0001343</A> - sitting pose is not correct when sitting on the rotated cylinder</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>375</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[assigned] simulator can't provide service and system cpu 100%" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1344">0001344</A> - simulator can't provide service and system cpu 100%</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>375</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[acknowledged] Client gets flooded upon logon and lag increased in sims" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1347">0001347</A> - Client gets flooded upon logon and lag increased in sims</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>375</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[new] sitting facing to the hill when sitting on tali ground" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1366">0001366</A> - sitting facing to the hill when sitting on tali ground</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>373</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[new] Logouts/Dropoffs not properly registered at both User Server and Region server" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1373">0001373</A> - Logouts/Dropoffs not properly registered at both User Server and Region server</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>373</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[assigned] terrain load wildcard effect without using change regions first" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1379">0001379</A> - terrain load wildcard effect without using change regions first</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>371</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[acknowledged] Prims out of FOV should not be rendered client-side" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1397">0001397</A> - Prims out of FOV should not be rendered client-side</TD>
<TD class=EC_right>369</TD></TR>
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<TD class=small><A title="[feedback] llTargetOmega stops working from time to time" href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1415">0001415</A> - llTargetOmega stops working from time to time</TD>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Charles Krinke <cfk@pacbell.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, May 31, 2009 1:29:10 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV>No problem, man.<BR><BR>As I look at two other parts of the Mantis Summary page, both the "Longest Open" and the "Most Active" jump out at me.<BR><BR>So, ... I would suggest that if we were to concentrate on resolving/closing some of the "Longest Open" and "Most Active" that we have a way to move forward in a more or less logical fashion.<BR><BR>Charles<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Nebadon Izumi <nebadon2025@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, May 31, 2009 1:26:10 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion<BR></FONT><BR>I stand corrected, I went back and you are correct, i only had closed filtered out and not the "resolved" issues, hence the inflated count. sorry about that. I think all of these ideas are great, sorry to be the stickler in the mud, but I'd rather everyone beat up on me now while were discussing it than after the fact, so thanks everyone for comments, very good ideas.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=EC_gmail_quote>On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Charles Krinke <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" rel=nofollow>cfk@pacbell.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>It pains me to disagree with you, Nebadon, but when I look at the summary page on our Mantis this morning, I see 247 open Mantis issues. This actually is an admirable goal and I would think clearing as many of these as possible over the next month is an admirable goal. Like all goals, we always can declare success when it "feels" right and thats my wriggle room.<BR><BR>Charles<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=h5><BR>I can agree with that, if everyone else agrees i have no problem with it, I would just hate for anyone to think that we are locking things up and they wont have our support. And mostly i was more concerned with trying to clear mantis, that seams a bit unrealistic, as a good portion of fixing the mantis probably rely on us instituting many feature requests. It kind of goes against the whole premise of freezing up feature requests.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=EC_gmail_quote>On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Stefan Andersson <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:stefan@tribalmedia.se" rel=nofollow>stefan@tribalmedia.se</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Wise from experience, I would never propose anything as preposterous as to tell any core dev to do anything.<BR> <BR>But if a substantial part of core devs and the patching community think it's a good idea and can be swayed to rally for it, I think we can see some really extraordinary measures that would make us all look pretty god damn good.<BR><BR>And hell, I stated it would be ambitious. Aim for the stars, hit the treetops, you know.<BR> <BR>Best regards,<BR>Stefan Andersson<BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:24:51 -0700<BR>From: <A href="mailto:nebadon2025@gmail.com" rel=nofollow>nebadon2025@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" rel=nofollow>opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion
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<DIV><BR><BR>Have you even looked at mantis??? there are 728 open tickets, chances are if we clear mantis, we will have OpenSimulator 1.0.. I personally don't see this as feasible, this is to me looks like us trying to control what all the developers are doing, and I have to -1 this idea as it would probably make most devs just stop working.<BR><BR>Neb<BR><BR>
<DIV>On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Stefan Andersson <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:stefan@tribalmedia.se" rel=nofollow>stefan@tribalmedia.se</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><BR>I do believe we're all feeling the advent of 0.7 - a milestone in any open source project.<BR> <BR>Here's a crazy idea for you; how about we agree to freeze feature set and major architecture as of now, and concentrate on only:<BR> <BR>* Finalizing the backend restructuring<BR>* Clear mantis (hell, let's CLEAR mantis! how's that for ambitious?)<BR>* Write unit tests<BR> <BR>until the cows come home, and tag the cow homecoming rev as 0.7? Or, say, 1st of aug happens, and we'll tag 0.6.7 then instead. ;)<BR><BR>I believe this kind of solidified 0.7 would give us all a breather, help us recoup, and then we can all go back to fiddling with our various dev projects again.<BR> <BR>What you say?<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Stefan Andersson<BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Opensim-dev mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" rel=nofollow>Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</A><BR><A href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev" rel=nofollow>https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</A><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ <A href="http://osgrid.org/">http://osgrid.org/</A></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Opensim-dev mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" rel=nofollow>Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</A><BR><A href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev" rel=nofollow>https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</A><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR><SPAN><SPAN>Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ <A href="http://osgrid.org/">http://osgrid.org</A></SPAN></SPAN><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Opensim-dev mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" rel=nofollow>Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</A><BR><A href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev" rel=nofollow>https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev</A><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ <A href="http://osgrid.org/" rel=nofollow>http://osgrid.org</A><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></body>
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