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Do you mean the one they made mainly for IronPython and IronRuby? I can
dig up the mail for that on the IronPython list, but it is mainly to
keep OSS source out of internal Microsoft boundaries where they want to
make sure there is no mix between internal code and external OSS code,
as their stated intention.<br>
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Frisby, Adam wrote:
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<pre wrap="">It's also worth noting that MS released a somewhat FOSS (I'm a little unsure which of their licenses they used and whether it's an OSI one or not) implementation of .NET for Linux called 'Rotor'.
Adam
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Yeah, I did miss reasonable fees.
However, it is widely believed that the Novell/MS pact disclaims these.
I would highly suggest bringing this one over to the Mono mailing list,
they have a lot more experience dealing with these claims.
Adam
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:44:08 -0700
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-elitists@zgp.org">linux-elitists@zgp.org</a>
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Quoting Eugen Leitl (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org">eugen@leitl.org</a>):
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<pre wrap="">IANAL, does below explanation by Adam hold water?
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<pre wrap="">You don't have to be a lawyer to know that it's rubbish on two
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<pre wrap="">separate
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<pre wrap="">grounds.
Yes, C# is an ECMA standard. However:
(1) It doesn't follow that ECMA International has any power to
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<pre wrap="">"forbid"
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<pre wrap="">patent holders from suing anyone over anything, let alone patent
infringement. I mean, think about it: Does Adam think ECMA
International is Microsoft Corporation's daddy? That it owns 51% of
the
issued and outstanding common stock? At worst, it might be possible
for
ECMA International to be very deeply disappointed in Microsoft's
behaviour at some future point, decertify particular things, and
otherwise carry out mild actions that _are_ within its power.
More important:
(2) In any event, ECMA International does not even _profess_ to
disapprove of suing patent infringers. It merely has a "Code of
Conduct
in Patent Matters"
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/codeofconduct.htm">http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/codeofconduct.htm</a>),
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<pre wrap="">setting
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<pre wrap="">ECMA policy that the group will approve standards only if it has
written
assurances from applicant that applicable patents will be licensed on
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<pre wrap="">a
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<pre wrap="">"reasonable, non-discriminatory basis". (That term of art is
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<pre wrap="">typically
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<pre wrap="">referred to as RAND terms.)
Has Adam Frisby completely missed the last decade of standards
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<pre wrap="">warfare?
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<pre wrap="">The proprietary camp has repeatedly attempted to get the World Wide
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<pre wrap="">Web
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<pre wrap="">Consortium to start accepting "RAND" patent licensing, instead of
requiring that applicants certify that covering patents will be
_royalty-free_. This arm-twisting failed, because of diligent
focussing
of attention from open source people. W3C has stuck to its guns and
insistend on royalty-free patent licensing.
To spell it out: "Reasonable" means obligatory patent royalty
payments.
Which means no open source implementations of those standards.
And that is one reason why ECMA standards can be (and often are)
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<pre wrap="">issued
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<pre wrap="">on terms hostile to open source, whereas W3C standards are reliable
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<pre wrap="">and
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<pre wrap="">open-source-friendly.
Sheesh.
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