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+1 to Stefan<br>
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Stefan Andersson wrote:
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</style>Yeah,<br>
<br>
I think 'groups' in terms of minimal implementations of functions as
defined by our reference client the official Second Life(tm) virtual
worlds viewer, is definitively a core module.<br>
<br>
I believe that if this central work is done in core instead of on
forge, it will give us lots of valuable opportunity to help, discuss
and react to changes, instead of it being a 'mushroom' in a corner of
the room.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Stefan Andersson<br>
Tribal Media AB<br>
<br>
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:49:14 -0800<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br>
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<div>Personally, I would suggest that "groups" is an enabling
technology and I would concur that seperating economy notions from
groups is a good thing.<br>
<br>
For "groups" functionality, the ability to form groups and have group
communicaton similar to our IRC channels currently would go a long ways
to fleshing out and testing additional functionality under load. We
need to use our sims more to understand where the limits are.<br>
<br>
Additionally, adding the logic for group ownership of land and objects
will help us get closer to a reasonable permissions model and thence
closer to 0.7 for OpenSim.<br>
<br>
Charles<br>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Justin Clark-Casey <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com"><jjustincc@googlemail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February
15, 2009 10:52:06 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br>
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Frisby, Adam wrote:<br>
> My personal thoughts would be definitely host on the gforge until <br>
> completion, then decide on whether it goes into core or not (same
as <br>
> hypergrid).<br>
<br>
Personally, considering the modules that are in OpenSim core at the
moment, I think that a groups module could <br>
definitely be considered a core module from the outset (and so be
developed in core). It's by far the biggest piece of <br>
missing functionality for both an SL-like environment and many of the
other virtual environments that one can imagine.<br>
<br>
However, having said that it's not as if people have been rushing to
implement groups code in core - it has been a <br>
requested piece of unimplemented functionality for a long time. So it
might be more convenient to develop it outside <br>
core if non-core developers are going to be working on it.<br>
<br>
I guess the situation might be somewhat different again if the groups
module also implements integration to other <br>
systems (perhaps commercial ones) which would be more controversial to
place in core. Though then again I would hope <br>
that such functionality could be split into further modules, with just
the main groups code going into core.<br>
<br>
btw, Mike - very glad to see your sponsorship of this as public domain
code. And I very much understand your reluctance <br>
to talk about sponsored development that hasn't yet been agreed. All I
would say is that the more open everything is, <br>
the more smoothly everything seems to go in terms of getting code
adopted and in terms of interacting with the wider <br>
OpenSim community.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Adam<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> *From:* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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*On Behalf Of *Michael <br>
> Huntington<br>
> *Sent:* Friday, 13 February 2009 12:55 PM<br>
> *To:* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Well, I don't mind sharing a little info.. but remember we're
still in <br>
> planning stages and getting the feature list together. Also I
personally <br>
> don't have a problem having this project open during development.
So <br>
> I'll let Adam and the DeepThink team decide on that... I'll host
any <br>
> files if needed or we can use opensim's gforge. All, I'm doing is <br>
> sponsoring this project.. because I know how much the community
would <br>
> like groups and other features up and running. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Basically we're working on getting economy and groups running..
and <br>
> hopefully if Diva accepts our offer, we can get groups working
across <br>
> the Hypergrid... (still working on that). DeepThink already has a
list <br>
> of features listed for how we can safely and securely implement
groups <br>
> and economy.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Again, I'm not the most tech savvy person.. I'm just sponsoring
this.. <br>
> so Adam can share as much info as he likes.. once we come to a <br>
> conclusion on what the exact features will be ... but so far it
seems he <br>
> understands what we're looking for in the project.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Frisby, Adam <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au">adam@deepthink.com.au</a>
<br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au">adam@deepthink.com.au</a>>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I think the consensus with Mike is to develop it on the forge, but
I'll <br>
> let him speak for me here since he's sponsoring it and I don't
want to <br>
> say anything that may be wrong.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Adam<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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*On Behalf Of *Dahlia Trimble<br>
> *Sent:* Friday, 13 February 2009 12:48 PM<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> *To:* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Agreed... something like groups is too complex to be submitted all
at <br>
> once, unless it's a module in forge. I've been working on group
chat <br>
> infrastructure and this could cause conflict unless it's developed
in an <br>
> open manner.<br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Justin Clark-Casey <br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Frisby, Adam wrote:<br>
> > Yep, Mike here has graciously offered to have us develop it
for the <br>
> public domain. With a little luck we should be starting this one
soon, <br>
> along with some other features he's asked for (I won't ruin any <br>
> suprises, but they are much-asked for).<br>
> <br>
> I don't like to see surprises spoilt either but it would be nice
to know <br>
> what they are sooner rather than later, so that<br>
> nobody wastes time with duplicate development.<br>
> <br>
> Will the development happen in the open commit by commit?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ><br>
> > Adam<br>
> ><br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
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> Behalf Of Mike Huntington<br>
> >> Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2009 9:11 AM<br>
> >> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br>
> >><br>
> >> I'm currently in talks with DeepThink to have this
developed for my<br>
> >> grid. The work will be donated back to the opensim
community once<br>
> >> finished. Hopefully work on this will begin later this
month.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Ruud Lathrop <<a
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> >> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> Hi,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Does anybody know if somebody is working on features
to implement<br>
> >>> Groups? I see a GroupsModule in Core.Avatar. But
that doesn't hold<br>
> >>> much implementation.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> If nobody is building that, how can I start working
on something<br>
> >>> like that?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Ruud<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
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