<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Personally, I would suggest that "groups" is an enabling technology and I would concur that seperating economy notions from groups is a good thing.<br><br>For "groups" functionality, the ability to form groups and have group communicaton similar to our IRC channels currently would go a long ways to fleshing out and testing additional functionality under load. We need to use our sims more to understand where the limits are.<br><br>Additionally, adding the logic for group ownership of land and objects will help us get closer to a reasonable permissions model and thence closer to 0.7 for OpenSim.<br><br>Charles<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr
size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Justin Clark-Casey <jjustincc@googlemail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:52:06 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br></font><br>
Frisby, Adam wrote:<br>> My personal thoughts would be definitely host on the gforge until <br>> completion, then decide on whether it goes into core or not (same as <br>> hypergrid).<br><br>Personally, considering the modules that are in OpenSim core at the moment, I think that a groups module could <br>definitely be considered a core module from the outset (and so be developed in core). It's by far the biggest piece of <br>missing functionality for both an SL-like environment and many of the other virtual environments that one can imagine.<br><br>However, having said that it's not as if people have been rushing to implement groups code in core - it has been a <br>requested piece of unimplemented functionality for a long time. So it might be more convenient to develop it outside <br>core if non-core developers are going to be working on it.<br><br>I guess the situation might be somewhat different again if the groups module also
implements integration to other <br>systems (perhaps commercial ones) which would be more controversial to place in core. Though then again I would hope <br>that such functionality could be split into further modules, with just the main groups code going into core.<br><br>btw, Mike - very glad to see your sponsorship of this as public domain code. And I very much understand your reluctance <br>to talk about sponsored development that hasn't yet been agreed. All I would say is that the more open everything is, <br>the more smoothly everything seems to go in terms of getting code adopted and in terms of interacting with the wider <br>OpenSim community.<br><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Adam<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de"
href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> <br>> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] *On Behalf Of *Michael <br>> Huntington<br>> *Sent:* Friday, 13 February 2009 12:55 PM<br>> *To:* <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Well, I don't mind sharing a little info.. but remember we're still in <br>> planning stages and getting the feature list together. Also I personally <br>> don't have a problem having this project open during development. So <br>> I'll let Adam and the DeepThink team decide on that... I'll host any <br>> files if needed or we can use opensim's gforge. All, I'm doing
is <br>> sponsoring this project.. because I know how much the community would <br>> like groups and other features up and running. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Basically we're working on getting economy and groups running.. and <br>> hopefully if Diva accepts our offer, we can get groups working across <br>> the Hypergrid... (still working on that). DeepThink already has a list <br>> of features listed for how we can safely and securely implement groups <br>> and economy.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Again, I'm not the most tech savvy person.. I'm just sponsoring this.. <br>> so Adam can share as much info as he likes.. once we come to a <br>> conclusion on what the exact features will be ... but so far it seems he <br>> understands what we're looking for in the project.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Frisby, Adam <<a ymailto="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au"
href="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au">adam@deepthink.com.au</a> <br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au" href="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au">adam@deepthink.com.au</a>>> wrote:<br>> <br>> I think the consensus with Mike is to develop it on the forge, but I'll <br>> let him speak for me here since he's sponsoring it and I don't want to <br>> say anything that may be wrong.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Adam<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> <br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>> <br>> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de"
href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> <br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>>] *On Behalf Of *Dahlia Trimble<br>> *Sent:* Friday, 13 February 2009 12:48 PM<br>> <br>> <br>> *To:* <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a>><br>> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Agreed... something like groups is too complex to be submitted all at <br>> once, unless it's a module in forge. I've been working on group chat <br>> infrastructure and this could cause conflict unless it's developed in
an <br>> open manner.<br>> <br>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Justin Clark-Casey <br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com" href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com" href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Frisby, Adam wrote:<br>> > Yep, Mike here has graciously offered to have us develop it for the <br>> public domain. With a little luck we should be starting this one soon, <br>> along with some other features he's asked for (I won't ruin any <br>> suprises, but they are much-asked for).<br>> <br>> I don't like to see surprises spoilt either but it would be nice to know <br>> what they are sooner rather than later, so that<br>> nobody wastes time with duplicate development.<br>> <br>> Will the development happen in the open commit by
commit?<br>> <br>> <br>> ><br>> > Adam<br>> ><br>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>> >> From: <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> <br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>> [mailto:opensim-dev- <br>> <mailto:opensim-dev-><br>> >> <a ymailto="mailto:bounces@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:bounces@lists.berlios.de">bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bounces@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:bounces@lists.berlios.de">bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>>] On <br>> Behalf Of Mike Huntington<br>> >> Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2009 9:11 AM<br>> >> To: <a
ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a>><br>> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim<br>> >><br>> >> I'm currently in talks with DeepThink to have this developed for my<br>> >> grid. The work will be donated back to the opensim community once<br>> >> finished. Hopefully work on this will begin later this month.<br>> >><br>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >><br>> >> On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Ruud Lathrop <<a ymailto="mailto:ruud.lathrop@gmail.com" href="mailto:ruud.lathrop@gmail.com">ruud.lathrop@gmail.com</a> <br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ruud.lathrop@gmail.com"
href="mailto:ruud.lathrop@gmail.com">ruud.lathrop@gmail.com</a>>><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >>> Hi,<br>> >>><br>> >>> Does anybody know if somebody is working on features to implement<br>> >>> Groups? I see a GroupsModule in Core.Avatar. But that doesn't hold<br>> >>> much implementation.<br>> >>><br>> >>> If nobody is building that, how can I start working on something<br>> >>> like that?<br>> >>><br>> >>> Ruud<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> Opensim-dev mailing list<br>> >>> <a ymailto="mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a>
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