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+1000, you are 100000000% right<br>
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Kyle "G" wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Having
groups is huge
James. <span style=""> </span>We thank you for trying to
get this implemented. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kyle
G<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.reactiongrid.com">www.reactiongrid.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James
Stallings II<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 22, 2008 8:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups and using our sims more<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">It comes to light
that the
confusion I had wrt to the module on GForge is the result of Melanie
telling me
she has groups mostly finished, yet I find that the module on GForge is
merely
a module skeleton with zero functionality.<br>
<br>
As it turns out, Melanie did not post the module on GForge, Fly-Man did
- and
Melanie is unwilling to open her groups code to the rest of the project.<br>
<br>
I submit that we need to stop waiting on this code to appear, and start
work
(or continue work, as the case may be), to implement groups ourselves.<br>
<br>
Fly-Man is doing some productive work completing user profiles, and
that is
perhaps the first place where the client touches groups, and in the
least
substantial way; I think we could begin to examine the codepaths he is
presently working with, and in other places I have mentioned earlier in
this
thread, and begin to put something together that we can at least patch
and
troubleshoot.<br>
<br>
Your thoughts?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
James<br style="">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Toni Alatalo
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:antont@kyperjokki.fi">antont@kyperjokki.fi</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">James Stallings II kirjoitti:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">> The
flexibility of this
architecture certainly has some weighty merits<br>
> - I suspect it would lend itself to being implemented in a region<br>
> module, which IMNSHO is a big strength.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1 on messaging being a module, if it indeed
seems sensible.<br>
<br>
and definitely +1 on using something existing for it, i think that<br>
aligns with the Realxtend goals too.<br>
<br>
XMPP may well be it, i think i +1 'd it also previous time when some<br>
(student project?) asked on this list whether they should do it :)<br>
<br>
while looking at SIP too, there's reason to believe that XMPP may be the<br>
relevant one. and of course making it modular gives the freedom to run<br>
anything.<br>
<br>
> James<br>
<br>
especially when described as:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
> I second this. From what I understand, XMPP is optimized to
deliver<br>
> small snippets of information, any information, to many
concurrent<br>
> users effectively.<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">that is sort of what was / is the interesting
part of SIP
too, and if<br>
XMPP works simpler (and even better?) for it, sounds great. i suppose<br>
around XMPP there are nowadays the similar mechanisms for<br>
from/to-behind-NAT traversal etc. that there are for SIP (i mean the<br>
srtp relay somethings).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
> XMPP's got that solved with its decentralized servers.<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">haven't looked at XMPP in a long time in detail,
but was following
the<br>
early developments as was interested in irc etc. at the time, and trust<br>
that the wisdom has carried over from ppl who started having probs with<br>
irc when user levels reached >100'000 in a network or so, and from<br>
anyone else doing that work. haven't seen much jabber addresses of<br>
people though, but i guess that's another story, like said haven't<br>
followed now.<br>
<br>
one thing i've found peculiar regarding xmpp/sip and friends is the<br>
presence information, 'cause virtual worlds seem to be a lot about that<br>
(the difference to the current web is user presence, basically). the<br>
specs may even talk of avatars etc. so interesting to see how the design<br>
will eventually form..<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
~Toni</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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