i was kidding about Finish Trolls... <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:31 PM, James Stallings II <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james.stallings@gmail.com">james.stallings@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Seriously people,<br><br>I know Rex is trying to 'come clean' - and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, in spite of proclamations that they 'will birth an cross platform Open Source community that will be at the forefront of the 3D Virtual World revolution' - something that pretty much exists without them.<br>
<br>As it stands though, marginalizing the views of anyone on this list as 'troll bait', given the level of passion expressed by the participants, is not getting off to a very good start.<br><br>Cheers,<br>James<div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Lc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lcc1967@gmail.com" target="_blank">lcc1967@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
but wait, are they Trolls ? We all know Trolls come Finland ;) <br><br>/me hides to avoid the trouts shlapping <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s&feature=related</a><div>
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<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Frisby, Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au" target="_blank">adam@deepthink.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Usually easy to spot – most of them have .fi emails.</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lc<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 December 2008 3:30 AM<div><br>
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</div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] An Open Letter to Open Source and OpenSim
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Thanks Ryan for that short
explanation.<br>
It will be great if you can present "Rex Team" members too.<br>
It will avoid any false assumed emails coming from ReX that lead to
nowhere except flameware and heathfull threads like we saw recently.<br>
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We really need to put a "Don't feed the trolls" sign ;)<br>
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Thanks Ryan <br>
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Sacha Magne / Lc <br>
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<p>On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Ryan McDougall <<a href="mailto:sempuki1@gmail.com" target="_blank">sempuki1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p>Recently there has been much discussion in OpenSim, other
Open Source<br>
communities, and within realXtend itself. As a result of changes<br>
within realXtend, there is some new direction and focus. I would like<br>
to clear up any misconceptions and help set the stage for future<br>
cooperation.<br>
<br>
The biggest change is that reX has asked added a technical architect,<br>
Ryan McDougall, to help shore up its long range planning, and improve<br>
community relations. The result has been an ongoing process of<br>
planning for 2009 that pre-prioritized community involvement, and a<br>
commitment to strategic goals, including a from-scratch BSD-derived<br>
viewer.<br>
<br>
This means that our interactions with you will now be different. It<br>
will be open and clear and everything you expect from a member of the<br>
community in good standing.<br>
<br>
Let me also explain a bit more about realXtend past history and future
strategy.<br>
<br>
When RealXtend first began, it was with an idea about merging what was<br>
real and what was virtual, in order to create tools and experiences<br>
that affected peoples lives positively. Open Source was a core<br>
principle in the project, because RealXtend was intended to become a<br>
defacto standard for the coming revolution in how we interact with<br>
world -- both real and electronic.<br>
<br>
Many technology-bases were evaluated, and it was felt that a<br>
combination of OpenSim and the Second Life(tm) viewer were the best in<br>
class. Because there was much to learn and discover, the first couple<br>
prototypes were made away from the respective communities. When<br>
RealXtend decided on continuing evaluation of OpenSim and Second Life,<br>
attempts were made to join both communities. Some of those attempts<br>
were awkward or rebuffed, and without the experience of how to be a<br>
member of an open community in good standing, it was decided it would<br>
be more efficient to continue prototyping separately.<br>
<br>
Now RealXtend finds itself at a cross-roads. Our prototypes have been<br>
wildly successful in many ways -- except the ways that matter to<br>
paying end-users. We find that it is becoming more and more difficult<br>
as time goes on to maintain forked software and keep pace with<br>
duplicated efforts in OpenSim. To remedy this fork, we have engaged<br>
Deepthink to modify OpenSim to accept a port of RealXtend, and to make<br>
most of the port itself.<br>
<br>
The client side of the equation, however, remains more problematic.<br>
While it is Open Source in name, it is not in practise, and our<br>
changes will never make it back into the upstream repository. In order<br>
to disengage ourselves from the wake of the private entity who<br>
controls the repository, and make the sort of important, innovative<br>
changes that we think are necessary, we have concluded that we must<br>
have a truly open sourced client viewer that we have some ability to<br>
participate in.<br>
<br>
We do not make this decision lightly, knowing how much work and money<br>
that doing so represents. We take on this challenge because we know<br>
someone must, and with the hope that with the help of many community<br>
and corporate partners, we can together, make this a reality, and open<br>
a new chapter in our industry.<br>
<br>
We will begin this new process in January and continuing until<br>
February of 2009, with a feasibility study. That process will conclude<br>
with a proposed road-map as a result, what will be able to take us<br>
through 2009 and beyond. The process will begin internally with<br>
RealXtend, in order to solidify a unifying core set of principles, but<br>
very soon move outward to include a call for proposals and comments<br>
from all of you. With a clear road-map and a successful consultation<br>
process, we are confident that we will birth an cross platform Open<br>
Source community that will be at the forefront of the 3D Virtual World<br>
revolution.<br>
<br>
We invite you to give your feedback by visiting the RealXtend website,<br>
trying out our software out, signing up for our mailing lists, or<br>
joining us on IRC.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Ryan McDougall<br>
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