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About the picture below. In OpenSim, the login process could be made
more decoupled if only the user server didn't assume anything about the
map (grid) server. On the other hand, I don't see a problem in giving
users "homes", that is, default regions where they always land upon
logging in. The home concept is actually quite important, I think. In
VWs users should probably have homes. A "home" is the place where users
can do everything without fear of being robbed -- that's my definition
of "home."<br>
<br>
Also, the User Service could be decoupled from inventory and assets. It
already is, to some extent. However...<br>
<br>
I think there's something really interesting about the set UGAIM++ (the
++ is for additional user-centered services), and although they serve
different purposes, their total decoupling is not necessarily a good
thing. I came to that conclusion after having thought first that the
decoupling was definitely the way to go. I'm not so sure it is anymore,
but I can see both ways. I think we can do a lot of interesting things
with peer-to-peering sets of UGAIMs instead of decoupling the
individual services. Here's why.<br>
<br>
I really like the idea of designing a global infrastructure centered on
people ("people", not "avatars"). The question we should be asking is:
what do people need to go around this global infrastructure? They need
an identity to login to (U), a home (G), raw storage (A), storage
organization and ACL (I), a way to talk to other people (M), ... and
maybe other things. Yes, we can certainly spread these different
services among different service providers, but what are the advantages
of doing so? <br>
<br>
I came to formulate these questions as I started to understand the
architecture of OpenSim a little better. What if... we packed a bunch
of user-centered services into Apache? Wouldn't that make Apache a lot
more interesting? What if... every computer would come with an
associated user-centered web server, a "standalone"? Wouldn't that make
a lot of things a lot easier on the web?<br>
<br>
Before we blindly copy the web, and the practices on it, we should
consider ways to make something *better* than the web, and this goes
way beyond the 3D-ness of VWs. The UGAIM++ collection made me stop and
think about this.<br>
<br>
Crista<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:493FEDCD.1050307@ics.uci.edu" type="cite"><br>
Frisby, Adam wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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understanding of the structure is the Rex system is closer to
a decoupled system than the Hypergrid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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involves teleporting along known links – ie you
teleport to a hypergrid region which connects you to other regions. The
Rex
model is closer to a web browser, where you move along via
URL-equivilents, and
it will disconnect/reconnect you from the current/next sims – sort of
ala
a more seamless Meerkat. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Rex auth server basically acts as an identity broker –
when you request access to a sim on a different network (“grid”-ish),
you get authorised by your auth server. Your auth server acts very
similarly to
the OGP Agent Domain, in that it is responsible for routing messages to
you,
assigning sessions, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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risk of using outlook’s HTML here, allow me to draw a
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color:white'>Person<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This
diagram shows a user logging into the first sim, then
teleporting to a second sim on another network. AuthAlpha.com isn’t
prescribed
anywhere on any sims – they don’t know it exists until a user
attempts to login, in which case it is contacted and asked to cough up
some
info about the user.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The
rex server operates under two modes here, you can either
lock to particular pre-authorised auth servers (the OGP ‘internal
network’
use case – ie, corporate intranets, etc), or you can open up to any
avatar on any auth server (public grids, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;"
lang="EN-US">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de">mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cristina
Videira Lopes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 8 December 2008 9:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] rex auth & avatar systems
(Re:
future
rexviewer merger)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">To be precise, the comparison is not really
between the
hypergrid and Rex's avatar server; it's about comparing Rex's avatar
server
with OpenSim's User+Asset+Inventory trio. <br>
The hypergrid is simply adding the capability of region servers
interacting with
several of those trios instead of just one.<br>
<br>
So, the unclear spot, really, is why Rex felt the need to substitute
UAI with
something else. <br>
<br>
<br>
Charles Krinke wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">I'm
sorry.
This is an OpenSim discussion channel. So, we are interested in what
OpenSim is
doing and where we are going.<br>
<br>
We have two different teleporting methods in OpenSim already. One is
the
AWG/OGP which allows teleporting from the LL betagrid to an OpenSim
region. The
other is the "HyperGrid", which allows teleporting between OpenSim
grids
or regions.<br>
<br>
We certainly can consider a third, and that certainly could be Rex. Or,
certain
Rex features may be added to the existing two interop technologies we
already
support.<br>
<br>
So, with that in mind, lets move forward and discuss the technical
details of
how the Rex technology works and how some or all of it is appropriate
to add to
OpenSim.<br>
<br>
Charles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 8, 2008 9:11:05 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] rex auth & avatar systems
(Re:
future
rexviewer merger)<br>
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"Rex avatar server was out and TPing from SL to a Rex grid was done<br>
before LL made the gridnaughts. The Rex group is ahead of the curve.<br>
It probably will not hard for them to retool and go backwards to be<br>
compatible with others are doing. But you have to remember that Rex<br>
server is really the leader, the others are just following and not<br>
acknowledging the work that has been done already."<br>
<br>
Please don't speak in the name of ReX pple particularly when you don't
know
what you are talking about.<br>
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Sm<o:p></o:p></p>
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