LOL no penis waving indeed ;)<br><br>I didnt intend to start a flamewar - only to point out that the nexus of developement is with the opensim project, and as a direct consequence, coordination with that team is, IMNSHO, a no-brainer.<br>
<br>As for room for improvement in opensim, that goes without question - I am pretty well known as an equal opportunity offender. If someone does something cool, I say, "Hey now that's cool" without reservation. If someone is pissing up a tree, I say "Hey look, someone is pissing up a tree". I call it like I see it, anything else would just be so much BS.<br>
<br>As for your millions invested in opensim development, I appreciate and thank you for any resources you have expended in the interest of the project; if I had millions, I might do something similar.<br><br>Unfortunately, all I have is time - and for the past year or so, I have pretty well spent every waking hour testing and promoting opensim software. I would be DELIGHTED to work with the Rexx team's viewer/server code as well - but unfortunately, from the very first day, they failed to embrace the notion that this is a *cross platform project* and produced code that only runs on one platform, pretty well painting me right out of the picture.<br>
<br>Until I can build their project(s) on a linux platform, I have little choice but to write them off as someone that just doesn't 'get it'. Between you and me and the rest of the readers of this list, I *truly* wish they would 'get it'.<br>
<br>They say they cant find a linux developer - but I happen to know the world is full of them. If they'd like to pay me to forego the opportunity to commit patches to the opensim codebase, for a sufficient sum they could get me to jump right in and bail like the boat was sinking.<br>
<br>Otherwise, I simply cannot see where the value is for me to even provide them with lipservice.<br><br>Cheers,<br>James<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Paul Fishwick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Jani<br>
I look forward to all of this, and glad that we are continuing this<br>
cross-communication between platforms.<br>
-p<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
Jani Pirkola wrote:<br>
> Paul,<br>
><br>
> Good idea to involve Opensim-dev, since they might have better ideas.<br>
> I suppose Adam Frisby has already thought how or if to integrate<br>
> avatar storage to Opensim.<br>
><br>
> One reason for avatar appearance (or agent domain) handling being at<br>
> the same place with the opensim is because in SL this was so. When we<br>
> move towards free 3D Internet (free as libre), then we need to be able<br>
> to take our avatar with us from grid to grid. This means that a grid<br>
> must accept foreign agent domains - and eventually someone would like<br>
> to run just the avatar service.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Jani<br>
><br>
</div>> 2008/12/5 Paul Fishwick <<a href="mailto:metaphorz@gmail.com">metaphorz@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:metaphorz@gmail.com">metaphorz@gmail.com</a>>><br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">><br>
> I am resending this since i think I sent a message from the wrong<br>
> email account...<br>
><br>
> ..........<br>
><br>
> Jani<br>
> I confess to not knowing the details of the rex viewer source, so<br>
> please take<br>
> my comments in that light. However, to me, it would seem more<br>
> logical to<br>
> evolve the already existing UGAIM+R services of OpenSim rather than<br>
> inventing a separate way of handling region and user services. I<br>
> feel that<br>
> we may need more discussion with the opensim developers (which is<br>
> why I am cc'ing them). If I am missing something in the logic of<br>
> your revised<br>
> Rex viewer implementation strategy, please let me know, and thank your<br>
> team again for its excellent viewer capabilities.<br>
> In summary, if there is something about the way that opensim handles<br>
> avatars or authentication, then suggest fixes to this via<br>
> opensim-dev. Yes?<br>
> If the DB schema(s) need to change, then suggest changes or add new<br>
> tables.<br>
> -paul<br>
><br>
> Jani Pirkola wrote:<br>
> > Exactly, that is what we will do. However some of the services<br>
> need to be able to run separately from the region or opensim<br>
> server. The best example of this is the avatar storage and user<br>
> authentication, which we feel needs to be its own entity.<br>
> ><br>
> > Jani<br>
> ><br>
> > 2008/12/5 Paul Fishwick <<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
</div></div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>>>><br>
> ><br>
> > Presumably, the "services" aspect can be worked out as a<br>
> region module<br>
> > for opensim? Either that, or the rex team would work with<br>
> the opensim<br>
> > team on the opensim trunk to extend its service capabilities<br>
> to be<br>
> > more<br>
> > consistent with rexviewer. That way, developers or users are<br>
> free<br>
> > to update or<br>
> > re-build opensim whenever it suits them, and rexviewer would<br>
> still<br>
> > function.<br>
> > -p<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Antti Ilomäki wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Actually that's not exactly the case, viewer<br>
> modifications are<br>
> > important to us, but the avatar portability service (and<br>
> > participating<br>
> > in world server development as well) is another central<br>
> feature we<br>
> > have. Our system currently allows full avatar<br>
> portability between<br>
> > different worlds and even the inventory works, at least<br>
> to an<br>
> > extent.<br>
> ><br>
> > 2008/12/5 Paul Fishwick <<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
</div></div><div class="Ih2E3d">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>>>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > I could be wrong, but i thought the point was to<br>
> make Rex<br>
> > purely<br>
> > a visual client (viewer) and to let OpenSim handle the<br>
> > services?<br>
> > -paul<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > -- Dr. Paul A. Fishwick E-Mail:<br>
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