Granted, Ryan, we all live for the future - but we do so in the hope that we might somehow influence that future. <br><br>I do applaud you for opening the drapes and letting the light in, as it were - but a mistake remains a mistake, past, present or future.<br>
<br>This particular mistake hasn't done a lot of good for their stature in the community - nor has getting into bed with Sakai Olife and OpenLife grid, who pretty well exploited Rexx for his own benefit, and your team went for it hook line and sinker.<br>
<br>That being said, it is clear that positive steps are being taken, but the journey is not yet complete - forgive me if I dont believe it until I see it. The track record so far, as they say, is not especially good.<br>
<br>BTW, I speak for myself only, and my opinions are almost certainly at odds with at least someone in the opensim community, if not most. I dont presume to speak for them. My observations are my own, and are not unfounded or uninformed. I just dont subscribe to the notion that I should mince words when expressing my opinion. It is a philosophy that leaves little room for doubt about where I stand.<br>
<br>As for my incendiary nature, no contest. You can pretty well count on it that if I fire a shot, the charge will be hot.<br><br>Cheers<br>James<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Ryan McDougall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sempuki1@gmail.com">sempuki1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:39 PM, James Stallings II<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><<a href="mailto:james.stallings@gmail.com">james.stallings@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">> LOL no penis waving indeed ;)<br>
><br>
> I didnt intend to start a flamewar - only to point out that the nexus of<br>
<br>
</div>Then please do a little less to be incendiary... :)<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
><br>
> Unfortunately, all I have is time - and for the past year or so, I have<br>
> pretty well spent every waking hour testing and promoting opensim software.<br>
> I would be DELIGHTED to work with the Rexx team's viewer/server code as well<br>
> - but unfortunately, from the very first day, they failed to embrace the<br>
> notion that this is a *cross platform project* and produced code that only<br>
> runs on one platform, pretty well painting me right out of the picture.<br>
<br>
</div>No they failed to allocate resources they way you would. You have the<br>
right to disagree with them, but I have the right to consider that<br>
unconstructive. Its not your money being spent.<br>
<br>
However as I said, I have helped re-prioritize that to include cross<br>
platform. But it takes a while write a large ship.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Until I can build their project(s) on a linux platform, I have little choice<br>
> but to write them off as someone that just doesn't 'get it'. Between you and<br>
> me and the rest of the readers of this list, I *truly* wish they would 'get<br>
> it'.<br>
<br>
</div>Well considering I am the principal architect for the reX platform, I<br>
think "they" get it now.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> They say they cant find a linux developer - but I happen to know the world<br>
> is full of them. If they'd like to pay me to forego the opportunity to<br>
> commit patches to the opensim codebase, for a sufficient sum they could get<br>
> me to jump right in and bail like the boat was sinking.<br>
<br>
> Otherwise, I simply cannot see where the value is for me to even provide<br>
> them with lipservice.<br>
<br>
</div>Because the past is the past, and we all live for the future?<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> James<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Paul Fishwick <<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Jani<br>
>> I look forward to all of this, and glad that we are continuing this<br>
>> cross-communication between platforms.<br>
>> -p<br>
>><br>
>> Jani Pirkola wrote:<br>
>> > Paul,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Good idea to involve Opensim-dev, since they might have better ideas.<br>
>> > I suppose Adam Frisby has already thought how or if to integrate<br>
>> > avatar storage to Opensim.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > One reason for avatar appearance (or agent domain) handling being at<br>
>> > the same place with the opensim is because in SL this was so. When we<br>
>> > move towards free 3D Internet (free as libre), then we need to be able<br>
>> > to take our avatar with us from grid to grid. This means that a grid<br>
>> > must accept foreign agent domains - and eventually someone would like<br>
>> > to run just the avatar service.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Best regards,<br>
>> > Jani<br>
>> ><br>
>> > 2008/12/5 Paul Fishwick <<a href="mailto:metaphorz@gmail.com">metaphorz@gmail.com</a><br>
>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:metaphorz@gmail.com">metaphorz@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I am resending this since i think I sent a message from the wrong<br>
>> > email account...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ..........<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Jani<br>
>> > I confess to not knowing the details of the rex viewer source, so<br>
>> > please take<br>
>> > my comments in that light. However, to me, it would seem more<br>
>> > logical to<br>
>> > evolve the already existing UGAIM+R services of OpenSim rather than<br>
>> > inventing a separate way of handling region and user services. I<br>
>> > feel that<br>
>> > we may need more discussion with the opensim developers (which is<br>
>> > why I am cc'ing them). If I am missing something in the logic of<br>
>> > your revised<br>
>> > Rex viewer implementation strategy, please let me know, and thank<br>
>> > your<br>
>> > team again for its excellent viewer capabilities.<br>
>> > In summary, if there is something about the way that opensim handles<br>
>> > avatars or authentication, then suggest fixes to this via<br>
>> > opensim-dev. Yes?<br>
>> > If the DB schema(s) need to change, then suggest changes or add new<br>
>> > tables.<br>
>> > -paul<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Jani Pirkola wrote:<br>
>> > > Exactly, that is what we will do. However some of the services<br>
>> > need to be able to run separately from the region or opensim<br>
>> > server. The best example of this is the avatar storage and user<br>
>> > authentication, which we feel needs to be its own entity.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Jani<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > 2008/12/5 Paul Fishwick <<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>>>><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Presumably, the "services" aspect can be worked out as a<br>
>> > region module<br>
>> > > for opensim? Either that, or the rex team would work with<br>
>> > the opensim<br>
>> > > team on the opensim trunk to extend its service capabilities<br>
>> > to be<br>
>> > > more<br>
>> > > consistent with rexviewer. That way, developers or users are<br>
>> > free<br>
>> > > to update or<br>
>> > > re-build opensim whenever it suits them, and rexviewer would<br>
>> > still<br>
>> > > function.<br>
>> > > -p<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Antti Ilomäki wrote:<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Actually that's not exactly the case, viewer<br>
>> > modifications are<br>
>> > > important to us, but the avatar portability service (and<br>
>> > > participating<br>
>> > > in world server development as well) is another central<br>
>> > feature we<br>
>> > > have. Our system currently allows full avatar<br>
>> > portability between<br>
>> > > different worlds and even the inventory works, at least<br>
>> > to an<br>
>> > > extent.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > 2008/12/5 Paul Fishwick <<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>><br>
>> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a><br>
>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fishwick@cise.ufl.edu">fishwick@cise.ufl.edu</a>>>>:<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > I could be wrong, but i thought the point was to<br>
>> > make Rex<br>
>> > > purely<br>
>> > > a visual client (viewer) and to let OpenSim handle the<br>
>> > > services?<br>
>> > > -paul<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > -- Dr. Paul A. Fishwick E-Mail:<br>
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