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color:#1F497D'>I mean being able to do:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And having that serialise into the DB as a metadata field.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stefan
Andersson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 4 November 2008 2:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] User vs Avatar [WAS: Proposed additional db
fields]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Not fully groking you, but I would
say that we would come a long step if we made sure all data sources were
abstracted by a provider, so for example user profiles had its own
provider, search had its et c.<br>
<br>
Remember, any given class (like a local user service proxy) can
implement several provider interfaces, and thusly serve multiple roles
- there's no real penalty to let separate context use separate interfaces
to the same class, but it opens up for redirection and customization.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Stefan Andersson<br>
Tribal Media AB<br>
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Join the 3d web revolution : <a href="http://tribalnet.se/" target="_blank">http://tribalnet.se/</a><br>
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From: adam@deepthink.com.au<br>
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:58:12 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] User vs Avatar [WAS: Proposed additional db fields]<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’d love to have a DB pattern which better supported metadata
myself.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There’s been several occasions right now where it would have
been handy to attach extra fields of data in (even if they cant be searched on
easily).</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Adam</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
Wright<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 4 November 2008 1:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] User vs Avatar [WAS: Proposed additional db
fields]</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I
agree with Stefan, we have too much data mixed together in the dbs. Avatar
appearance for instance. I don't believe that should be part of user data. We
should either have it as part of the Inventory/Asset data or a separate
Avatar data set. <br>
<br>
Mixing all the data together like we do, really makes it hand to make changes
to the backends. And to make custom applications that function in a different
manor to the standard opensim setup. <br>
<br>
I'm also unsure we really need a email field as part of the opensim db. I would
think that should be part of the website account data. Which I believe most
likely should be separate from opensim data. <br>
<br>
The more data we have mixed together in the db's. The hander/ more work it
becomes to maintain a opensim installation; to update it when changes are made
to the database structures.<br>
<br>
<br>
For 0.6, lets think about some new layouts, to make things easier to customize
and maintain?<br>
<br>
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<b><i>Stefan Andersson <stefan@tribalmedia.se></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>It is my firm belief, based on numerous
integrations with custom backends, that we should separate the 'user' concept
from the 'avatar' concept. On all Tribal Medias productions, the user logs
on with a user id, not avatar first/last. In the real world (aka
non-sl-grid world) it makes sense to separate them in the db.<br>
<br>
Maybe the cross-section would be the 'agent' - and in the simplest of
instances, agentId == userId == avatarId.<br>
<br>
What I mean is that an asset was uploaded and accessed by an 'agent', not
a 'user' or an 'avatar'. This should be reflected in the tables as well.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Stefan Andersson<br>
Tribal Media AB<br>
<br>
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To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br>
From: alan_webb@us.ibm.com<br>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:03:43 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposed additional db fields<br>
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</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>As you
say, e-mail in user information should be non-controversial, but it does
highlight the difference between users and avatars. Does the OpenSim database
actually reflect users? Or avatars? I thought the latter. What purpose will the
e-mail address serve? I think there maybe more reluctance to provide this
information than you might think. I'm prsonally nearly as opressed by providing
my e-mail as I am my telephone number.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <br>
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</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Create
time, given its one-to-one correspondence with an asset seems OK to me, but I
think there is probably room for lots of discussion on ways to determine
currency.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
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Best regards<br>
Alan<br>
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T.J. Watson Research Center, Hawthorne, NY<br>
1-914-784-7286<br>
alan_webb@us.ibm.com</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
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<span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent by:
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</span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I've got a couple of proposed db
fields that I think we should add in,</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<tt>but I want feedback before just putting it in.</tt><br>
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<tt>users:</tt><br>
<tt>* email - this is added by a lot of the web based management stacks,</tt><br>
<tt>and would be really handy to be in the base user definition. I
suspect</tt><br>
<tt>this is non controversial.</tt><br>
<br>
<tt>assets:</tt><br>
<tt>* create_time - the unix timestamp when the asset is created</tt><br>
<tt>* access_time - the unix timestamp for last asset access</tt><br>
<br>
<tt>The rationale for these asset additional fields was some brainstorming</tt><br>
<tt>this weekend on how we'd ever support asset reaping. Why not perfect,</tt><br>
<tt>this may help in determining what are active assets, and what are</tt><br>
<tt>ancient assets that may be suitable for reaping. Without these bits
of</tt><br>
<tt>information, we've got a hard time here.</tt><br>
<br>
<tt>Comments welcomed,</tt><br>
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<tt> -Sean</tt><br>
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<tt>-- </tt><br>
<tt>Sean Dague / Neas Bade</tt><br>
<tt>sdague@gmail.com</tt><br>
<tt>http://dague.net</tt><br>
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