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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A big table with “We’re handling this fully / Partially Handling
/ Not Handling” might be useful if someone can do the organising.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles
Krinke<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 2 October 2008 7:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] Small but important things<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This actually
brings up a very interesting point. We have a quite a number of packets we are
not sending or not processing or both.<br>
<br>
As a project focus, as we did with the LSL functions, it seems reasonable to
request packet handling patches for individual packet handlers just like we did
with the LSL functions. We can make progress on some of these other things that
are non-functional in a similar way.<br>
<br>
Charles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>----- Original Message ----<br>
From: "Frisby, Adam" <adam@deepthink.com.au><br>
To: "opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de"
<opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de><br>
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 4:45:38 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Small but important things<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Seconding this comment here, and adding – the best way to get
those features/fixes in would be to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Diagnose why that happens, and what we can send to get that to
stop happening – on a technical level that is. <br>
For instance, Clouds aren’t sent because we don’t send CloudData/LayerData
packets to the viewer, we don’t send these because we don’t know how that
format works exactly. Someone with viewer access (who isn’t patching OpenSim,
see licensing.) might be able to help here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As far as I can tell, everything on that list is pretty much falling
into the category of either us not sending a packet to the viewer that’s
expected, or we’re not processing a packet that’s sent to us. Getting handy
with SLProxy and capturing some samples of the packets you think are
required and putting them into the mantis tracker would probably be a good
start if you can’t analyse them yourself.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adam</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-dev-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dahlia
Trimble<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 1 October 2008 10:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-dev] Small but important things</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I don't think the items you listed were being ignored on
purpose. There are several factors at stake which could influence the order in which
mantis items receive attention. There are few developers for OpenSimulator and
many of them are uncompensated for their efforts and can only work on it as
time permits. Many of these developers do not consider OpenSimulator to be a
perfect clone of the SL server, but have other applications they are working
towards. There are a few developers who are striving for a close match and they
may be quite busy at times. This can often be at odds with a growing user
community that has expectations for a free SL server clone. Another thing to
consider is the state of development of OpenSimulator, which is quite early and
there are many large pieces that need a lot of work before the final touches
can be addressed. Often the user community will submit patches for their
favorite features that the core developers haven't had time or resources to
work on yet, and these are usually accepted along with a measure of gratitude.
If the patches cannot be accepted the reasons are communicated with the
submitter(s) who can then modify and resubmit them if they so choose.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I suggest a more suitable means to bring attention to your
items would be to attach notes with additional observations or implementation
suggestions to the original issue entries. This would make them appear at the
top of the list again and raise developer attention. Use of this mailing list
would be more suited to discussion of implementation details rather than item
priority.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Mircea Filipescu <<a
href="mailto:mircea_the_kitsune@hotmail.com" target="_blank">mircea_the_kitsune@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Over the time I noticed and reported many small and
apparently unimportant missing features and implementations in Opensim. They
haven't been looked at pretty much however, probably due to being considered
too small compared to bigger issues. They're mainly about some things and
features I initially found simple but who's effects (or rather absence) is
noticeble in-world. I thought it might be fun and helpful to make a list with them
and send it here, so maybe they can be re-checked and if someone knows they
might get implemented easily. So this is my list of tiny things:<br>
<br>
- <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=428" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=428</a>
- Effects not showing while having a prim selected: When you keep a prim
selected on the LL grid you have particles flowing from your hand to that prim,
but on OS that doesn't happen.<br>
<br>
- <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2071" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2071</a>
- No footstep and collision sound: Although you do hear footsteps when you walk
on terrain if a sound for them was loaded, none are heard when walking over
prims. Also, if you bump into a prim no sounds are heard either nor if a
physical prim hits something.<br>
<br>
- <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=964" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=964</a>
- Classic clouds not rendered: The classic particle clouds are not rendered in
Opensim when that option is enabled from the Environment Editor.<br>
<br>
- <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1028" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1028</a>
- Script saving notifications don't work: When someone saves a script, the
"Compile successful, saving..." and "Save complete"
messages should appear in the lower field of the script editor window (the 2nd
place right before the area where you edit the script itself) where script
errors are also printed out. Currently there is a "Compile
successful" popup but normally these messages should be displayed in that
field like on the LL grid.<br>
<br>
- <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=946" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=946</a>
- Avatar jumps / crouches in the direction it faces: Movement in Opensim isn't
implemented correctly and an avatar always attempts to go in the direction the
camera faces. If you look up and press the "walk forward" key, the
avatar jumps up rather then walking forward because you're looking up, which is
not normal and mouselook must only consider the X and Y axes orientation when
walking towards where the camera faces (does not apply while flying however as
there you do move up and down too).<br>
<br>
- <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1487" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1487</a>
- "Go here" doesn't work correctly: Last I checked the Go Here
command in the pie menu was not correctly implemented and didn't work, causing
the avatar to walk infinitely towards a certain direction other then the chosen
spot. Sit here works and auto-walks you to the point you clicked on, so Go Here
can do the same thing just without sitting once you get there.<br>
<br>
- <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1125" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1125</a>
- Drop doesn't work for attachment: Another tiny command that's been missed...
an attachment cannot be dropped to the ground with that command (at least last
time I checked).<br>
<br>
- <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1408" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1408</a>
& <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1407" target="_blank">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1407</a>
- Terrain textures & Grass realign at every startup session: Every time you
restart a region the terrain textures and bits of grass realign in different
positions. Normally this is very unimportant, but those who want things to be
precise might be bothered by this. Sometimes for example there's green grass on
a hill then after you restart the simulator that hill is covered in dirt
because terrain Texture 1 and terrain Texture 2 blended differently around that
height range.<br>
<br>
I found these small issues but which may have an important impact on in-world
experience (at least the first 5). So I just thought to point them here in a
single email and maybe someone can check them and implement at least a few of
them soon if they can be done :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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