<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I've also noticed the limited utility
of the OS terrain editing tools relative to SL. I do a fair amount of multi-sim
terraforming on both platforms (SL: Shengri La; OS: Arizona Bay in osgrid,
Tardis before smooth tool, and several other smallers stunts) I contributed
code an early smooth tool, before the last round of terrain tool reworkings.
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">A few observations:</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> -
OS large brush terrain ops are much faster than SL, which is a good thing
when you are doing very large terraforming operations.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> -
As Melanie mentioned, the smaller brushes are ineffectual. Small has no
noticable effect, and medium could be a little larger if small was useful</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> -Flatten
in SL remembers the height of the original click for the duration of the
hold, and brings the land to that height, which is great forming trails
at the same height so they reflect the land textures applied to the terrain.
In OS, the flatten tool has a moving target that appently attempts to flatten
the land around the average height. There are use cases for both, it would
be nice to have the option.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> -Occaisionally
I see a mode that forms the terrain spikes. It is unfortunately not always
reproducible, which is puzzling. For a few versions it was consistant and
bad, and reminded me of the bug I saw (missing minus sign on the transform
;-p ) when getting the first smooth tool to work. Currently it happens
sometimes, but is repairable with flatten. If I can nail a reproducible
case, I'll mantis it.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> -At
some point multisim regions in standalone mode had a problem with spikes
forming, and a horrible flatten bug when the brush crossed sims (catastrophically
flattening the crossed sim to the default height...a bug which took out
a quarter of a four sim mountain on Tardis...ugh) The flatten bug has been
resolved but recent touches to tardis gave spikes.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> -
OS: Flattening and smoothing does not work on sim boundaries, though persistant
trickery can cover up the problem for emergency terraforming. Smoothing
across sim boundaries on a slope induces a cliff along the border. The
convergence of the op appears to give cliff height that is somewhat
related to the slope of the terrain under smoothing (something like a few
meters for a 45 degree slope, Higher cliff for steeper slope.) Flatten
does not fix the cliff, it mostly reinforces it. They way around it involves
crafty combinations of raise with dashes of flatten and smooth...clearly
not optimal.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Finally, I'll through a big +N at using
the terrain tools inworld where possible. A clear advantage is that fine
adjustments can take place in the context of the build and landscaping,
and evolve with it. Sunsets and sunrises can be crafted from favorite sitting
spots, and more generally, form can better follow function. Consider Shengri
La in SL as an example. </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">...my two cents</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">-Mike Pitman/Rez Tone</font>
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<br><tt><font size=2>I did say "Wysiwyg".<br>
L3DT is not. It's algorithm-based.<br>
It's also not 100% linux compatible<br>
There is not tool I know of that you can use to terraform like in SL, <br>
e.g. with a mobile camera and brushes.<br>
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Melanie<br>
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Dr Scofield wrote:<br>
> Melanie wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> I also see over-sensitive terraforming. The small tools almost
<br>
>> useless. The feel of inworld terraforming is nothing like SL at
all.<br>
>> It's unusable for me.<br>
>> I terraform SL sims, save the raw and load it into my opensims.
Only <br>
>> way I can do it, as there is no wysiwyg terrain editor outside
of SL <br>
>> that i know of.<br>
>> <br>
><br>
> L3DT, see also my blog post about using it:<br>
> http://xyzzyxyzzy.net/2008/03/10/being-slartibartfast/<br>
><br>
> cheers,<br>
> dirk<br>
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> <br>
>> Melanie<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Ai Austin wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> I was just trying the latest versions of Opensim.. and was
going to <br>
>>> adjust a little bit of terrain with the edit terrain ->
raise height <br>
>>> radio button -> set to small increment.<br>
>>><br>
>>> As soon as I touch the plot the terrain height SHOT up into
the sky <br>
>>> 100m with sheer cliff edges on the touched area, and then
an adjacent <br>
>>> area my mouse went over did the same. I had to reload the
.f32 <br>
>>> terrain file to get it back in shape.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Are we aware of such a sensitivity in recent builds or is
this a new <br>
>>> bug I should try to investigate more and report properly?<br>
>>><br>
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