<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Thank you, Kyle. That is pretty much it. And I have similar feelings about about OpenViewer. I believe OpenViewer is best served by adding sufficient logic to allow it to log onto an OpenSim sim and the maingrid first. <br><br>Getting to where OpenViewer will have enough functionality to allow it to be used, tested, and improved on a daily basis on both the maingrid and OSGrid is one of my goals for the OpenViewer project.<br><br>Basically, we have two complementary software pieces. A sim, and a client. As we move forward, we improve each one in a step-wise manner and evolve them towards our combined vision of the Metaverse.<br><br>Charles<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">-----
Original Message ----<br>From: Kyle Hamilton <aerowolf@gmail.com><br>To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de; daedius@daedius.com<br>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:41:05 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Universal Avatar Question<br><br>
Charles
doesn't
want
to
introduce
code
that
opensim
doesn't
maintain,<br>because
he's
worried
about
the
stability
of
the
OSGrid,
and
he
doesn't<br>want
any
fingerpointing
to
happen
(opensim
says
"it's
thirdlife's<br>fault!"
and
thirdlife
says
"it's
opensim's
fault!").
This
happens
a<br>LOT
more
than
you
might
think,
and
in
the
meantime
the
userserver's<br>down,
people
can't
log
in,
and
OSgrid
loses
more
and
more
credibility.<br><br>So,
what
I
would
like
to
know
is
this:
What
would
the
design
of
such
a<br>"portable
avatar"
system
be
like?
How
could
opensim
interact
with<br>this
system
in
a
way
that
wouldn't
require
changes
being
applied
from<br>multiple
groups?<br><br>Do
you
have
a
mailing
list
for
such
development?
I
would
like
to
join.<br><br>-Kyle
H<br><br>On
Fri,
Apr
11,
2008
at
7:02
PM,
Daedius
<<a ymailto="mailto:daedius@daedius.com" href="mailto:daedius@daedius.com">daedius@daedius.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
you.
You
sound
like
your
talking
too<br>>
opensim
&
OSGrid
specific.
Shouldn't
Universial
Avatar
Services
be<br>>
something
cross
grid?
What
if
someone
doesn't
use
opensim
in
the<br>>
future.
I
think
you
need
to
be
thinking
at
this
from
a
higher
level
a<br>>
bit
Charles.<br>><br>>
-
Daedius<br>><br>><br>><br>>
On
Fri,
Apr
11,
2008
at
8:55
PM,
Charles
Krinke
<<a ymailto="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a>>
wrote:<br>>
><br>>
>
As
I
think
about
this
a
little
more,
I
rapidly
get
to
where
I
look
at
the<br>>
>
users
table
in
the
mysql
datastor
for
the
grid.<br>>
><br>>
>
Things
that
are
needed
for
a
login
are
pretty
much
all
in
this
table.
The<br>>
>
first
item,
"UUID"
is
the
user
server
perception
of
the
identity
of
an<br>>
>
avatar.
Everything
in
other
tables
is
referenced
from
users.UUID.<br>>
><br>>
>
The
grid
contains
a
username,
lastname
&
passwordSalt.
These
are
compared
to<br>>
>
the
incoming
first
&
last
and
then
the
password
is
processed
and
compared<br>>
>
with
passwordSalt.<br>>
><br>>
>
At
that
time,
the
entry
users.homeRegion
comes
into
play
and
other
things<br>>
>
such
as
users.userInventoryURI
and
users.userAssetURI
become
real
important<br>>
>
for
a
succesful
login.<br>>
><br>>
>
So,
from
a
grid
viewpoint,
there
already
is
a
set
of
entries
for
each
user<br>>
>
in
the
mysql
database.
It
isnt
quite
as
simple
as
just
having
a
universal<br>>
>
avatar
id.<br>>
><br>>
>
I
have
to
say
again,
that
from
the
viewpoint
of
OSGrid,
we
desire
to
stay<br>>
>
close
to
the
OpenSim
release
cycle
and
test
and
deploy
svn
releases
at
the<br>>
>
pleasure
of
the
core
developers
and
the
stakeholders
that
use
OSGrid.
So,<br>>
>
this
really
does
get
back
to
OpenSim.<br>>
><br>>
>
Charles<br>>
><br>>
><br>>
><br>>
>
-----
Original
Message
----<br>>
>
From:
Daedius
<<a ymailto="mailto:daedius@daedius.com" href="mailto:daedius@daedius.com">daedius@daedius.com</a>><br>>
>
To:
<a ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a><br>>
>
Sent:
Friday,
April
11,
2008
6:24:15
PM<br>>
>
Subject:
Re:
[Opensim-dev]
Universal
Avatar
Question<br>>
><br>>
>
Hey
there
Charles,<br>>
><br>>
>
Thanks
for
posting
this.
I
would
like
to
put
out
a
call
to
grid<br>>
>
owners
to
help
form
the
grid
information
services
of
the
future.
I'm<br>>
>
one
of
the
active
developers
of
openviewer,
and
the
more
I
work
and<br>>
>
design,
there
more
I
feel
the
NEED
for
more
information
from
grid<br>>
>
owners!
=)
I
have
a
number
of
ideas
that
need
the
participation
of<br>>
>
opensim.
Personally
though,
I
believe
this
should
be
a
project<br>>
>
outside
of
opensim.
Here
are
a
few
examples
of
things
I
foresee
us<br>>
>
needing
in
the
immediate
future:<br>>
><br>>
>
-
ability
to
autoregister
an
avatar
on
a
grid<br>>
>
-
ability
to
get
information
about
the
grid:
descriptions,
image/icon,<br>>
>
tags
of
what
type
of
content
(
sex,
language,
interests,
etc)<br>>
>
-
ability
to
get
some
measure
of
lag
between
the
client
and
server<br>>
>
-
ability
to
get
population
and
logged
on
information
of
avatars
externally<br>>
><br>>
>
These
things
COULD
all
be
within
opensim,
but
what
I
would
like
to
do,<br>>
>
is
create
a
new
project.
I've
started
a
project
on
google
code
called<br>>
>
"thirdlife"
where
I
am
going
to
focus
my
efforts
on
grid
information<br>>
>
services.
If
any
of
you
all
are
grid
owners,
I'd
like
to
get
a
hold<br>>
>
of
you
to
try
to
figure
out
what
information
exactly
you
all
are<br>>
>
looking
to
expose
to
users.
Thanks!<br>>
><br>>
>
-
Daedius<br>>
><br>>
><br>>
>
On
Fri,
Apr
11,
2008
at
12:02
PM,
Charles
Krinke
<<a ymailto="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a>>
wrote:<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
I
am
sorry
to
open
yet
another
Pandora's
Box
this
week,
but
two
different<br>>
>
>
folks
have
approached
me
as
the
OSGrid
Director
in
the
last
two
days
about<br>>
>
>
putting
experimental
software
on
the
grid
server
to
begin
prototyping<br>>
>
ideas<br>>
>
>
to
allow
an
avatar
to
log
onto
multiple
grids.<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
I
have
told
both,
that
I
desire
to
stay
with
the
mainline
OpenSim
desires<br>>
>
as<br>>
>
>
this
evolves.<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
I
think
the
issue
is
that
we
may
need
to
give
some
thought
to
pulling<br>>
>
>
together
some
of
the
ideas
from
the
various
parties
in
order
to
head
in
a<br>>
>
>
direction
that
lets
us
continue
to
lead
this
charge.<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
Charles<br>>
>
><br>>
>
>
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