[Opensim-dev] The Overte Foundation for OpenSimulator (Justin Clark-Casey)
Justin Clark-Casey
jjustincc at googlemail.com
Mon Jul 4 03:57:27 UTC 2011
Some single company projects (such as MySQL) are licensed under something like the GPL but are then also commercially
available from the company under a non-GPL license. For the company to do this, they must have copyright over all the
code. For contributions, people either completely assign copyright ownership or give joint ownership.
The CLA we intend to pursue will have a copyright license grant to the foundation rather than any assignment of
ownership. Under this, it won't be possible for the foundation to relicense existing code.
The reason for the CLA in our case is so that the foundation becomes the distributor of the code rather than individual
core developers. If any code origin issues do arise, the foundation can deal with them, helped by the explicit
declaration of the copyright license grant.
Also, if someone were to bring a frivolous lawsuit, a foundation stands more chance of defending it than an individual
core developer. Even a frivolous suit costs quite a lot of money to defend.
It's possible that a CLA will ask for a retrospective license grant.
To be honest, many of the legal arguments are untested and there is considerable debate over CLAs. However, in
OpenSimulator's particular situation, where its primary client codebase is under a copyleft license and is chiefly
developed by a single company which has its own proprietary server, it doesn't seem unreasonable to be a little cautious.
IANAL, but luckily we do have access to one. When we get into the fine details, it may be that the arguments are
refined and things change. But if there's a radical change then people will certainly know about it before anything is
put in place.
On 03/07/11 11:32, Michael Cerquoni wrote:
> whoops accidentally sent that last email before i was ready too.. But again If i felt that things were heading towards
> complete commercialization and closed source I would not be involving myself on the board or endorsing these kind of
> decisions. I do think it is good though that people say what they are thinking and feeling about how things are
> progressing so that we can all talk about it, we are trying to keep this process open as much as possible to everyone so
> you can rest assured there is no intention of privatizing and locking up the OpenSimulator code. Really our hope was to
> open it up more and bring more people into the fold in a safe manner but it is good to ask questions, if you have more
> questions keep them coming and we will try to answer everything we can and hopefully put peoples mind at east. Thanks
> everyone.
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Michael Cerquoni <nebadon2025 at gmail.com <mailto:nebadon2025 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I am also not a lawyer, but I can tell you that I would not be involved if I felt this was the direction that things
> are heading.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com <mailto:melanie at t-data.com>> wrote:
>
> IANAL either, but as the software is currently BSD licensed, anyone
> can take it, spin a release off it and sell it. So I would assume
> that core could go and make it closed and commercial, which means
> the last release would remain BSD and all future development could
> be closed. That is possible even today, independent of any
> contributor's agreements.
>
> However, core has been working under the 6 month clause and other
> constraints to keep OpenSim BSD for a long time, so I don't see any
> reason to believe this would ever come to pass, one way or the
> other. We have no interest in making OpenSim core closed source.
>
> Melanie
>
> On 02/07/2011 08:22, Snowcrash Short wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Since IANAL, I have a couple of questions.
> >
> > Usually when I encounter these kinds of licenses, they also imply that the
> > foundation obtains a right to re-license the copyrighIted material, since
> > the foundation has a separate copyright and thus may produce a copy under a
> > separate license. Will this also be the case for Overte?
> >
> > What about the submissions made prior to license policy, will Overte
> > retroactively try to get the contributors to sign such a license?
> >
> > My goal here is to ensure that OpenSim will remain free.
> >
> > /Snowcrash
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Andrew Hughes <
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> >
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> We would like to donate funds also to the Opensim Dev project. Please let
> >> me know when this is possible. Thanks!
> >>
> >>
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> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Justin Clark-Casey <
> >> jjustincc at googlemail.com <mailto:jjustincc at googlemail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks very much for the offer, Justin. If it's okay, I'll let you know
> >>> when we have a donation channel established. This might take a little while
> >>> since we're in the holiday season at the moment and various people are away.
> >>>
> >>> -- Justin
> >>>
> >>> On 30/06/11 16:25, Justin Lyon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Justin,
> >>>>
> >>>> Simudyne would be willing to donate some funds to help set-up the Overte
> >>>> Foundation. What would you need?
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Justin
> >>>>
> >>>> On 30 Jun 2011, at 13:00, opensim-dev-request at lists.**berlios.de
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> >>>>> Today's Topics:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Re: Built libbullet shared object libraries for Linux but
> >>>>> this isn't what you wanted! (Justin Clark-Casey)
> >>>>> 2. The Overte Foundation for OpenSimulator (Justin Clark-Casey)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> >>>>> ----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 1
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:51:27 +0100
> >>>>> From: Justin Clark-Casey<jjustincc@**googlemail.com <http://googlemail.com><jjustincc at googlemail.com
> <mailto:jjustincc at googlemail.com>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de <mailto:opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Built libbullet shared object libraries for
> >>>>> Linux but this isn't what you wanted!
> >>>>> Message-ID:<4E0BBA7F.7070206@**googlemail.com <http://googlemail.com><4E0BBA7F.7070206 at googlemail.com
> <mailto:4E0BBA7F.7070206 at googlemail.com>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 27/06/11 16:52, Adams, Robert wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Building Bullet itself is a start. Thanks Justin.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The makefile should be fairly straight forward as there are just the
> >>>>>> two cpp files and one .h file with the only dependencies being on the std
> >>>>>> library and Bullet itself. As you now know, Bullet used CMAKE for its
> >>>>>> build/configuration tool and I don't know if there is a way to link a
> >>>>>> BulletSim build into it (put the Bullet directory under BulletSim and do a
> >>>>>> CMAKE which builds both together).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm setting up a Linux build environment so I should be able to help
> >>>>>> anyone working on this by next weekend. I'm doing some stress testing this
> >>>>>> week and then I will look into linksets again -- I want to get vehicles
> >>>>>> working.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I put in a scratch Makefile and fixed one definition issue in
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp. However, on make this still brings up the
> >>>>> errors
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp:38:14: error: ?gDeactivationTime? was declared ?extern?
> >>>>> and later ?static?
> >>>>> BulletDynamics/Dynamics/**btRigidBody.h:29:17: error: previous
> >>>>> declaration of ?gDeactivationTime?
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp: In member function ?int BulletSim::PhysicsStep(**btScalar,
> >>>>> int, btScalar, int*, EntityProperties***, int*,
> >>>>> unsigned int**)?:
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp:107:79: error: cast from ?void*? to ?unsigned int? loses
> >>>>> precision
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp:108:79: error: cast from ?void*? to ?unsigned int? loses
> >>>>> precision
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp: In member function ?btCollisionShape*
> >>>>> BulletSim::CreateShape(**ShapeData*)?:
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp:405:61: error: no matching function for call to
> >>>>> ?BulletSim::**AdjustScaleForCollisionMargin(**btCollisionShape*&,
> >>>>> btVector3)?
> >>>>> BulletSim.h:469:7: note: candidate is: void BulletSim::**
> >>>>> AdjustScaleForCollisionMargin(**btCollisionShape*, btVector3&)
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp:426:62: error: no matching function for call to
> >>>>> ?BulletSim::**AdjustScaleForCollisionMargin(**btCollisionShape*&,
> >>>>> btVector3)?
> >>>>> BulletSim.h:469:7: note: candidate is: void BulletSim::**
> >>>>> AdjustScaleForCollisionMargin(**btCollisionShape*, btVector3&)
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp:432:61: error: no matching function for call to
> >>>>> ?BulletSim::**AdjustScaleForCollisionMargin(**btCollisionShape*&,
> >>>>> btVector3)?
> >>>>> BulletSim.h:469:7: note: candidate is: void BulletSim::**
> >>>>> AdjustScaleForCollisionMargin(**btCollisionShape*, btVector3&)
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp: In member function ?SweepHit BulletSim::ConvexSweepTest(
> >>>>> **unsigned int, btVector3&, btVector3&, btScalar)?:
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp:1166:95: error: cast from ?void*? to ?unsigned int? loses
> >>>>> precision
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp: In member function ?RaycastHit
> >>>>> BulletSim::RayTest(unsigned int, btVector3&, btVector3&)?:
> >>>>> BulletSim.cpp:1209:70: error: cast from ?void*? to ?unsigned int? loses
> >>>>> precision
> >>>>> make: *** [BulletSim.o] Error 1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's a long time since I did any significant c/cpp (and then it wasn't
> >>>>> on Linux) so I'm not sure why this is happening.
> >>>>> Maybe it's gcc specific.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I was able to pull opensim-libs anonymously last week (
> >>>>>> http://opensimulator.org/svn/**opensim-libs<http://opensimulator.org/svn/opensim-libs>).
> >>>>>> Has it broken since then?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Robert - I was trying the wrong url. I put the information into
> >>>>> the wiki.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -- ra
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.**berlios.de <http://berlios.de><opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> <mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de>>[mailto:
> >>>>>> opensim-dev-bounces@**lists.berlios.de <http://lists.berlios.de><opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> <mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de>>]
> >>>>>> On Behalf Of Justin Clark-Casey
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:48 PM
> >>>>>> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de <mailto:opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Opensim-dev] Built libbullet shared object libraries for
> >>>>>> Linux but this isn't what you wanted!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Robert. I briefly putzed around with building shared object Bullet
> >>>>>> 2.78 under Linux tonight and popped the results
> >>>>>> in as commit 23bf773 on the bulletsim branch.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, I just realised that you weren't asking for the bullet
> >>>>>> libraries to be built. What you were really asking for
> >>>>>> in http://lists.berlios.de/**pipermail/opensim-dev/2011-**
> >>>>>> June/010271.html<http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/opensim-dev/2011-June/010271.html>were Linux/OSX
> makefiles to build your
> >>>>>> BulletSim.dll interfacing library in the opensim-libs svn repo (for
> >>>>>> which anonymous access is unfortunately not
> >>>>>> currently working - this need to be fixed).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That doesn't look too difficult but it's a little more involved for me
> >>>>>> since it's a long time since I wrote a Makefile.
> >>>>>> I don't know when I might get a slice of time to do that, so I think
> >>>>>> help from anybody else would still be very much
> >>>>>> appreciated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Justin Clark-Casey (justincc)
> >>>>> http://justincc.org/blog
> >>>>> http://twitter.com/justincc
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 2
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 02:21:51 +0100
> >>>>> From: Justin Clark-Casey<jjustincc@**googlemail.com <http://googlemail.com><jjustincc at googlemail.com
> <mailto:jjustincc at googlemail.com>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> To: Opensim-users at lists.berlios.de <mailto:Opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>**,
> opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de <mailto:opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
> >>>>> Subject: [Opensim-dev] The Overte Foundation for OpenSimulator
> >>>>> Message-ID:<4E0BCFAF.5030908@**googlemail.com <http://googlemail.com><4E0BCFAF.5030908 at googlemail.com
> <mailto:4E0BCFAF.5030908 at googlemail.com>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I'm sure everybody on these lists is aware, OpenSimulator currently
> >>>>> has some restrictions on who can contribute code
> >>>>> to the project
> (http://opensimulator.org/**wiki/Contributions_Policy<http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Contributions_Policy>
> >>>>> ).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The most controversial of these is the one that prevents contributions
> >>>>> from people who have studied the Linden Lab
> >>>>> viewer within the past 6 months.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This policy came about because the early core developers wanted to be
> >>>>> very cautious when dealing with a project that was
> >>>>> intimately intertwined with OpenSimulator through a common virtual world
> >>>>> protocol and concept, but which was licensed
> >>>>> under the copyleft GPL license rather than OpenSimulator's BSD license.
> >>>>> It was also inspired by bad, though unrelated,
> >>>>> early experiences of unwanted inclusion of GPL code within
> >>>>> OpenSimulator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, this rule increasingly restricts progress and innovation. To
> >>>>> state the obvious, it effectively stops Linden
> >>>>> Lab viewer and third party viewer developers from contributing to
> >>>>> OpenSimulator and it stops OpenSimulator developers
> >>>>> from contributing code to those viewers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We do want to do something about this. In very broad terms, there are
> >>>>> two choices of action. Either we simply drop the
> >>>>> 6 month restriction or we establish a Contributor's License Agreement
> >>>>> (CLA) to explicitly clarify that a developer has
> >>>>> the necessary rights to contribute the code that they're giving.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Simply dropping the restriction is tempting. However, the conditions
> >>>>> under which it was established have not changed -
> >>>>> the core of the Linden Lab viewer and derivatives is still under the
> >>>>> copyleft LGPL license. Some people think that in
> >>>>> general such restrictions are entirely unnecessary but others think that
> >>>>> it's a reasonable precaution in the absence of
> >>>>> a CLA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So the other alternative is to have that CLA. This is the route that
> >>>>> we've started going down. The proposal is to have
> >>>>> a CLA by which a contributor explicitly grants a copyright license over
> >>>>> their contributions. Each contributor will
> >>>>> continue to own their own code (i.e. there is no transfer of copyright).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again, there is considerable debate over CLAs, with some people seeing
> >>>>> them as essential and others thinking that they
> >>>>> are entirely unnecessary. However, many open-source projects have CLAs
> >>>>> (Apache, Django, Python, the Linden Lab viewer)
> >>>>> so we would not be in bad company. Having to submit a CLA might also
> >>>>> reduce casual 'drive-by' patches, though we would
> >>>>> make CLA submitting as easy as possible - by accepting them
> >>>>> electronically, for instance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In order to grant a copyright license there needs to be a receiving
> >>>>> entity. To this end, we are in the process of
> >>>>> setting up an organisation known as the Overte Foundation. The Overte
> >>>>> Foundation will receive the copyright licenses
> >>>>> and become the official distributor of OpenSimulator rather than
> >>>>> individual core developers. This will put it in a good
> >>>>> position to deal with code origin or other issues, if any should ever
> >>>>> arise.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Once the CLA is complete, the current contribution restrictions to
> >>>>> OpenSimulator will be removed. It will be down to
> >>>>> each developer (including core developers) to affirm via the CLA that
> >>>>> they have the necessary rights over the code that
> >>>>> they are contributing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One advantage of going down the foundation route is that it will also be
> >>>>> able to promote and support OpenSimulator in
> >>>>> other ways, quite possibly incorporating members of the community other
> >>>>> than just developers. The foundation could also
> >>>>> extend to cover other open-source virtual-environment/virtual-**world
> >>>>> projects and components. In the short term, though,
> >>>>> we will be concentrating on establishing the CLA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At some point soon we would be very grateful for donations to the Overte
> >>>>> Foundation in order to deal with some of the
> >>>>> costs involved in setting things up and for ongoing support and
> >>>>> promotion of OpenSimulator. Setup costs should not be
> >>>>> too high since Ben Esplin of Pillsbury Law is very kindly donating time
> >>>>> and expertise (he also helped OSgrid establish
> >>>>> their organisation).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We're actually still in the process of setting up the foundation so
> >>>>> we'll only be requesting donations once we have a
> >>>>> bank account for them. However, we wanted to get this out in the open
> >>>>> now so that people know what is being proposed
> >>>>> and so that we can get feedback.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For a much shorter public statement and FAQ about these topics shorn of
> >>>>> the historical context, please see
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/**Foundation<http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Foundation>
> >>>>> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/**Foundation_FAQ<http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Foundation_FAQ>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will be acting as the first Overte Foundation president, with Diva as
> >>>>> treasurer, Melanie as secretary and Nebadon and
> >>>>> Ben as initial board members. The foundation itself will not directly
> >>>>> control OpenSimulator development - this will
> >>>>> remain with the OpenSimulator team and community as it does now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Discussion about this is very welcome, whether supporting or critical.
> >>>>> I'm logging off now so will likely answer any
> >>>>> points tomorrow. Of course, other core developers are very welcome to
> >>>>> chip in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Justin Clark-Casey (justincc)
> >>>>> http://justincc.org/blog
> >>>>> http://twitter.com/justincc
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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